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Old January 12th, 2017, 12:33 AM   #81
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Old January 12th, 2017, 01:14 AM   #82
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Appalling PR if you ask me: just read the comments section of the Telegraph. BCC expect me to believe that the Metro was never the reason for the proposal to cut down the tree? BCC are using the tragedy of Berlin to solve a tree problem. I'm disgusted.

Was being facetious, BCC utilising the situation as a means to an end...
That said, the tree for all its grandeur, would be out of place in the newly designed square in my opinion.
There are plenty of new trees planned for the square, and though they won't be up to much at the start, in 10-15 years, the trees maybe the main focus of the square.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 02:32 AM   #83
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I don't see why they can't move the tree. There's no argument that it's historically significant.
They'll be digging up the square and road anyway so unless I'm missing something bleeding obvious I don't see why it can't be repositioned somewhere more befitting relatively easily elsewhere in the redeveloped square.
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...the tree for all its grandeur, would be out of place in the newly designed square in my opinion.
There are plenty of new trees planned for the square, and though they won't be up to much at the start, in 10-15 years, the trees maybe the main focus of the square.
Exactly. The way I see it, the fundamental reason to remove the tree is not the Metro, not possible terrorism, but the design integrity of the revamped square.

The Telegraph piece rather gives the impression that an old tree is going to be chopped down and replaced by an ugly concrete barrier. But the essence of good design is to take on board practicalities like making public events safe from a Nice/Berlin-style attack and incorporate them into an aesthetic solution. Had it not been flagged up at this stage I doubt many people would have looked at the finished square and said "I bet those benches were put there to stop a lorry being driven into the square."

It's always a pity to see trees disappear, but this isn't even the case that's upset me most. Over in Southside, in the pedestrian route through the Southside housing development , ALL the trees have recently been stripped out. It's ruined one of my favourite recent bits of Birmingham, and not a peep out of the Birmingham Mail. At least on Broad Street we'll eventually end up with more trees.
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Old January 25th, 2017, 11:56 PM   #85
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Another look at the London Plane Tree from the Discovery Terrace at the Library of Birmingham.

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Old January 26th, 2017, 10:14 AM   #86
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Im not convinced by the redevelopment of this square, its just over engineered rubbish as usual.

Cant we just have something similar to George Square in Glasgow? Nice chunk of grass, some nice trees, planters and benches, is that so much to ask for?

Could even have a Nelsons Colum structure here as a feature, similar to what was proposed here before the war. I just don't understand why we insist on creating these weird squares with odd features, clearly the council don't go by the "less is more" mentality.
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Old January 26th, 2017, 11:05 AM   #87
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Im not convinced by the redevelopment of this square, its just over engineered rubbish as usual.

Cant we just have something similar to George Square in Glasgow? Nice chunk of grass, some nice trees, planters and benches, is that so much to ask for?

Could even have a Nelsons Colum structure here as a feature, similar to what was proposed here before the war. I just don't understand why we insist on creating these weird squares with odd features, clearly the council don't go by the "less is more" mentality.
Can't agree more. The moment I saw the new image for Calthorpe's New Garden Square, I thought why can't we have something similar at Centenary Square where during warm sunny periods, people who work,live or visit the area can sit and relax in a relaxing and uplifting green space.

Centenary Square could have been split into two distinctive but connected greens surrounded by beautiful trees.

We only have to see Cathedral Square to know how popular a green space with seating and "seatable" grass can be.

Centenary Square for the people of Birmingham and not just for the convenience of conventions.

Also, in the absence of sufficient beautiful architecture or stunning artwork to hold the attention of the eye, the balance between hard and soft landscaping is all the more critical otherwise the space, as it does now, and will probably do so after the revamp, looks and feels barron and souless so much so that few feel the desire to stick around. We will have enough well to do business that can contribute to the upkeep of a more green square.

This area is crying out for a major piece of artwork like the Chicago Cloud or the Horse's Head Marble Arch London or a Birmingham appropriate sculpture that uses the same technique applied in sculpting the Kelpies sculpture.

Come on Brum, this was once (and probably still is)the most innovative engineering place on earth. That innovation was inspired by a whole lot of imagination. Please let us apply that same degree of imagination to our shared public spaces. I know it is not too much to ask for a relatively simple green space with a stunning piece of artwork in the centre.

Or alternatively, given this region's history, why not make this the city that celebrates this nations scientific and engineering goliaths in a "Path of Legends" that runs throughout central Brum celebrating these people and their achievements?

(P.S. Am I living in La La Land to ask for a thrilling place called the "National Science and Engineering Museum" to be created and based in central Birmingham?)
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Old January 26th, 2017, 04:09 PM   #88
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It's a great time to be celebrating the man who invented plastic!

What I would like to see is some statues of horses along the canal side as if they are tugging along a narrow boat.
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Old February 25th, 2017, 09:13 AM   #89
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The London Plane Tree faces the chop today, as part of a plan to widen a redesigned Centenary Square.

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When I went past here yesterday Metro the tree was surrounded by metal hoardings. Thought they were starting utility works for the metro but must be for the tree instead.

Such a shame the tree has to go, I just hope that when the square/metro are done that it will have been worth it.
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Old February 25th, 2017, 11:08 AM   #91
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Terrible the amount of lies told about cutting this tree down.
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The tree is now a stump. Photos later.
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To the person at BCC who gave permission for this deserves a
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Old February 25th, 2017, 06:56 PM   #96
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Despite loving old trees, I think this would look odd on its own with the new square planted with dozens of young trees, which, given 10 years WILL change the face of the square to the good.
I'm rather confused why it had to come down right now though? is the square reconstruction imminent? ...... certainly didn't need to be felled for the metro for a good while yet!
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They probably wanted to get the tree down quickly Nigeman to stop the campaign to save it dragging on and on giving the Council even more bad publicity lol.
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By 3pm when I got to Broad Street (in the rain) the tree had gone! Nothing more than a stump!



The Real Family statue can now see Boulton, Watt and Murdoch without the tree in the way!



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The whole of Arena Central without the tree in the way!

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Despite loving old trees, I think this would look odd on its own with the new square planted with dozens of young trees, which, given 10 years WILL change the face of the square to the good.



I totally agree. I love trees but I don't think this is a good example of one that should be singled out for preservation.

It's on its own in a very awkward position.

Trees look good when they are equally spaced out on each side of long roads. Bristol Road is a good example. Pall Mall is another.

Lots of great trees have been felled in Moseley over the past few years. They were worth protesting over.
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The revamp of this square on the whole looks good apart from the army of 25m tall lamps! I wonder if they might build it and think 'well that was a stupid idea' and get rid of some / all of them!? If the rest of the materials are good it wouldn't be that difficult to change the lights at least. Either way I'm excited to see the impact of this once it's complete. It will be a talking point at least and anything to get rid of the block paving.
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