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Old August 10th, 2016, 10:10 PM   #1
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Symphony Hall | Centenary Square | Renovation | 5fl | U/C

Had this email today

Hopefully something major happens !!!!

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Old August 10th, 2016, 10:12 PM   #2
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An external refurbishment would be nice too.

Good news though.
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Old August 10th, 2016, 10:13 PM   #3
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Really only the exterior needs work, the interior of the ICC is very unique, I love it! But expansion is always good
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Old August 10th, 2016, 11:04 PM   #4
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Hopefully some interaction can be made with broad street
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Old August 11th, 2016, 01:07 AM   #5
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Sounds promising. The outside is the bit which needs a bit of a refurb as the inside is unique and awesome.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 08:41 AM   #6
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Yep, I want to see interaction with Broad Street improved. Im totally fine with the rest of it as it is, maybe some retail units fronting Centenary Square as well.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 12:52 PM   #7
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I hope they don't touch the interior at all to be honest!
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Old August 11th, 2016, 01:03 PM   #8
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Agreed I think the interior should be left untouched, I think it's great
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Old August 11th, 2016, 06:22 PM   #9
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Not if you're in a wheelchair it isn't. Plonk yourself in one and try getting into and through the building & into the hall from Brindley Place. The actual Symphony Hall is magnificent, but in the rest of the building, all those split levels that were fashionable in the early 90s are an absolute nightmare.
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Old August 11th, 2016, 11:54 PM   #10
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I think for disabled people, there are lifts or ramps somewhere in The ICC (the main route from Centenary Square to Brindleyplace and the canalside). Otherwise it's mostly going up or down steps (canal end).
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Old August 12th, 2016, 08:31 AM   #11
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I think for disabled people, there are lifts or ramps somewhere in The ICC (the main route from Centenary Square to Brindleyplace and the canalside). Otherwise it's mostly going up or down steps (canal end).
I Tell you what. Next time you're in town. Walk from Brindley Place to Centenary Square through the ICC - with a visit to the toilet - without going up a single step. Where you encounter a ramp. Picture yourself in a wheelchair & imagine someone else in a chair or mobility scooter coming the opposite way. It's all well and good saying that there are ramps and lifts - which there are. But until you've experienced it, you won't appreciate how appalling the building is in this respect. I'm not trying to be snotty with you, I just want you to understand the point I'm making. Perhaps, as we all know how good you are at it. You could document your experience via photos & post here?

I'm fairly confident that if the building were proposed today, it wouldn't get through planning because of these defects.

Any prospective Architects reading this? Spend a month in a wheelchair before you pen a building for use by the general public.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 06:47 PM   #12
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Much more interaction with the CS would be good, a cafe/bar spilling out from inside to out. The only problem is that part of the building doesn't really catch the sun.
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Old August 12th, 2016, 09:29 PM   #13
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I Tell you what. Next time you're in town. Walk from Brindley Place to Centenary Square through the ICC - with a visit to the toilet - without going up a single step. Where you encounter a ramp. Picture yourself in a wheelchair & imagine someone else in a chair or mobility scooter coming the opposite way. It's all well and good saying that there are ramps and lifts - which there are. But until you've experienced it, you won't appreciate how appalling the building is in this respect. I'm not trying to be snotty with you, I just want you to understand the point I'm making. Perhaps, as we all know how good you are at it. You could document your experience via photos & post here?
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I have sometimes tried those toilets near Castle Fine Art. But last few times it's been locked for some reason.


This is an old photo of mine of the steps from 2009.




I've not wanted to take anything inside recently.

But has been changes, such as the comfy leather seats have gone. The plaques on one side have been hidden by whatever changes they are making internally.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 03:25 AM   #14
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Tamworthian I was talking about the building visually and its unusal I know but I don't pretend I'm in a wheelchair when looking at a building.
I get your point but I would say that majority of people on here comment on how buildings look and not on their accessibility.
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Tamworthian I was talking about the building visually and its unusal I know but I don't pretend I'm in a wheelchair when looking at a building.
I get your point but I would say that majority of people on here comment on how buildings look and not on their accessibility.
Perhaps that needs to change?

Honestly. The building is disgusting from that aspect. To access from Brindley Place, Wheel/Pushchair users have to use the bridge closest to the Sea Life Centre which is step free, and then access the building from a hidden side entrance. A Hidden Side Entrance.

It's not just that either. Those glass lifts might look brilliant, but for a chair user, they're crap. Why? Well. Have you ever wondered why standard lifts have huge mirrors facing the doors? I bet you thought it was to make them look bigger, right? No. They're there so that wheelchair users can see behind them when the doors open. You can't turn around in a wheelchair in a lift. You have to come out backwards.

I'll re-iterated my previous comment, because I think it so important. Any budding Architects reading these forums absolutely need to spend a month in a wheelchair before they pen a building. That alone should reduce the chances of public buildings such as this being designed in such an appalling manner.
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Old August 14th, 2016, 08:49 PM   #16
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There is a disabled door near the Brewmasters House

(2009 photos below)



You have to use this bridge to get from Brindleyplace



There is also a hidden (as you say) disabled lift near the Handmade Burger Co

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If it was given similar treatment to the NIA/ Barclaycard arena or whatever its called these days would be magnificent.
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Old August 15th, 2016, 11:48 AM   #18
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It still says Barclaycard Arena when I last went over there.

Just needs more ramps.
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Old March 9th, 2017, 08:19 AM   #19
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There will be £10 million for an extension to Birmingham Symphony Hall in the city centre.

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news...s-392-12713637
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I'd forgotten the Symphony Hall were asking for people's ideas for improvements.

I would like to see the terraces at the back, which overlook the canal, turned into terrace bars and cafes. They would have a great view and I'm sure they'd be popular.
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