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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:09 PM   #1
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2017/01721/PA

This has gone under the radar after a planning application went in last week.

772 New build Houses and Apartments, at St Luke`s, by Barratt Homes.

580 1/2 bed apartments which are in blocks that range from 3-11 storeys in height, but are mostly 3-5 storeys.

192 1/2/3 bed houses are a mixture of 2, 2.5, 3 storey, mostly terraced, some semis, plus several detached.

There will be 77 units (10% of total) of affordable housing which will be a mixture of rent, shared ownership and low cost sale. Barratt say that any more than 10% affordable housing could make the scheme unviable.

There is also to be the creation of a linear park through the site.

Can somebody post the details please? Thanks.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:37 PM   #2
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Aghh Ralph guy you could have kept to the format of the titles used, Reiss is going to go into OCD overdrive

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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:38 PM   #4
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Well that could have been worse.....
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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:39 PM   #5
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Thanks Sefton. Apologies Reiss but I rarely start a new thread. Just get Belfast to change it. Give him something to do.

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I quite like it, but can't help but feel like the old bit in between needs to go too...
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Looks like a church has vanished.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:53 PM   #8
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Thanks Sefton. Apologies Reiss but I rarely start a new thread. Just get Belfast to change it. Give him something to do.


You've done a good job Ralph
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Old March 20th, 2017, 03:54 PM   #9
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This looks great by the way, love the density, going to look great along side Park Central zone 11, a huge welcome into the City from the South.
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This nice old church gets smashed to smithereens!



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Old March 20th, 2017, 04:04 PM   #11
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Cheers Reiss.

Overall, I`m fairly happy with it. I was a bit worried about what they`d turn out. I would like to have seen some four storey 4/5 bed houses and maybe a few taller blocks of apartments along Belgrave Middleway but I`m sure they have a reason for it.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 04:10 PM   #12
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Why are we building houses that have their own back gardens inside the middleway?
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I like the big buildings in Bristol Street and the ring road. Not so keen on the low rises stuff.

Overall this should definitely improve the area.

Let's hope they build the big blocks first. Otherwise there could be an economic downturn and we'll be stuck with only the low rise suburbia!
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*sigh*

A central street that doesn't serve much purpose, generic architecture and suburban housing at low density plus the loss of the only built asset in the area (the church).

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Old March 20th, 2017, 05:01 PM   #15
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Yes, I agree Biosonic but this is high density for Barratt.

The problem is that much of the existing housing is two and three storey with gardens, which I suspect has influenced the architects. I`m just glad they haven`t built lots of two storey semis and detached with attached garages and spacious front gardens with driveways, which is Barratt`s bread and butter developments.

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Yeah I agree with Bio and Ralphguy. I just don't think all the elements work well together. The sudden drop down from 10/11 storey blocks to houses is very reminiscent of 60s/70s estates and look odd. As Ralph said the architect is trying to link in with the older estate behind with the houses but surely that estate is not going to be around forever.

The loss of the church is a shame, I'm assuming this is not listed. I like the designs of the individual buildings but I do think the blocks on the corner of belgrave look clumsy nxt to each other.... I think if it was all one corner block with the right angle cut away much like southside block where Tesco is would have looked good.

Overall I like the design of the buildings just think the massing is not well thought out and the loss of the church is shortsighted in my view. Having said all that the amount of properties is welcome and more than I was expecting. Hopefully this will get reworked a bit more before spades are in the ground.
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Assuming that randomised and/or incongruous window arrangements are out of fashion? There is something very industrial/warehouse looking about the larger blocks. Not a bad thing.

Also looking at the aerial photos. Why did BCC only demolish half of the St Luke's Estate. Leaving some very poor 1960s housing fronting the Ring Road
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Am I right in thinking this DOESN'T include the areas within the red boundary?
I like the curved structure top-right!
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Some of the properties in the red boundary are existing but some are part of this Barratt scheme. The brown terraced properties by Belgrave Middleway are the council built homes. Anything in lighter brick will be the Barratt development.
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Ralph, i'm sure you were worried we would end up with a bunch of semis on this site. I might be mistaken though.

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Also looking at the aerial photos. Why did BCC only demolish half of the St Luke's Estate. Leaving some very poor 1960s housing fronting the Ring Road
I am assuming they did not own them.

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There is one house that has a garden facing the middleway.

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*sigh*

A central street that doesn't serve much purpose, generic architecture and suburban housing at low density plus the loss of the only built asset in the area (the church).

Agreed, i would take a guess it must be because of access issues from Hope Street.

My opinion is that its meh in terms of looks. Its done pretty well overall. I think they should increase the density in the middle as it makes little sense there being 2 storey homes surrounded by 4 storey apartments.

The undercroft parking is poor. More could have been done here considering the parking solutions utilised at Park Central. This site has a problem in design terms as you need to fit in with the existing houses behind Bristol Street but also fit in with the changing nature of Bristol Street.
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