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Old November 23rd, 2017, 01:19 PM   #121
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The planning application for this one has officially been withdrawn by the applicant.

I expect public pressure on the loss of the church and potentially other flaws apparent to the planning officers encouraged then to believe it would never get a consent in its current form

Looking forward to seeing some higher quality proposals as a result
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 02:39 PM   #122
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Inevitable really after the developer made a complete dogs dinner of it from the start. They surely would have known what the issues would be in all the pre-planning discussions they had before it reached decision stage. They could have incoporated the church as an entrance/gateway to the development, incorporating the concierge, offices or facilities into it. The massing, density and size mix was just a mess as well.

They may have sold this on and it could be the Court Collaboration 1230 site, but who knows...if they do return let’s just hope it’s at some point in the near future and that the proposals are substantially better and are of the quality of the last phase of Park Central over the road.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 03:40 PM   #123
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Great news - this was one horrendous proposal.
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 04:52 PM   #124
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Common sense has prevailed. For once!
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Old November 23rd, 2017, 05:58 PM   #125
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When I saw this thread had been bumped, I immediately thought Barratt had come up with new proposals. I wonder why they've waited this long to withdraw their plans? They knew the score much earlier in the year. Perhaps they are selling it on.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 12:22 AM   #126
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amended plans will be back soon enough.....
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Old November 24th, 2017, 01:12 AM   #127
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amended plans will be back soon enough.....
The planning committee has asked them, among else, to go taller.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 07:46 AM   #128
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good to hear...the original proposal was very average and unambitious for a prime gateway site into Birmingham!!
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Old November 24th, 2017, 09:44 AM   #129
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Woody or Mosleyan, does this mean Barratts still own the site or still intend to develop the site if they don't own it? Do you think we'll hear anything this year?

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Old November 24th, 2017, 09:59 AM   #130
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I thought the council owned the site and Barratts were their development partner - or have I got that wrong?
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Old November 24th, 2017, 10:25 AM   #131
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BCC do indeed own the site and Barratt are indeed their development partner. A new application which has been developed following engagement with the council should be submitted shortly!
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Old November 24th, 2017, 11:23 AM   #132
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Hurrah.
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Old November 24th, 2017, 12:49 PM   #133
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Retaining existing buildings too please
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Old November 24th, 2017, 01:37 PM   #134
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The council surely won't risk a PR disaster and meltdown.

I'd imagine any revised plan has taller buildings, more green space and retains the church.
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Old November 25th, 2017, 11:55 AM   #135
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This could go one of two ways... minor refinements that don't really please anyone or genuine engagement with the issues raised.

If the council and Barratts do take on board the consulations and revisit some of the scheme fundamentals then I'd be optimistic about what might come forward.

Generally developments of this scale benefit from an iterative approach which takes into account public feedback and architects are good at responding to the challenges that result.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 10:33 PM   #136
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New planning application has gone in from Barratt West Midlands.


2017/10448/PA


Number of houses reduced from 192 to 188.

Number of apartments increased from 580 to 590.

Total number of units on site up from 772 to 778.

There are 537 parking spaces in total.


The south 'tower' is up from eleven storeys to fifteen.

The north 'tower' is down from eight storeys to seven by the looks of it.

Both the St Luke's church and Highgate Centre will still be razed.



There appear to be some other amendments, largely to the apartment buildings. I would hazard a guess that the size of some individual apartments have been increased. I know the planning committee were previously critical of unit sizes.


I'm expecting a lot more documents to come but, according to the application details, there is a retail unit. However, there are six blocks that make up the South (A1,A2,A3) and North (A4,A5,A6) 'towers' on Bristol Street and four of those (A1,A2,A4,A5) don't have any ground floor flats so I'm hoping the retail provision is greater than one unit. The original plans from earlier in the year had no retail provision as far as I'm aware.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 10:48 PM   #137
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I'm trying to imagine what a Barratt Homes apartment tower might look like.......




...... then I tried to erase those thoughts from my mind.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 11:31 PM   #138
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Wtf? The main points raised from the previous load of crap they put forward was that the demolishing of the church & Highgate centre was not on. And they haven't learned at all? I wish these bunch of morans would just get out of the city.
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Old December 14th, 2017, 11:43 PM   #139
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http://eplanning.idox.birmingham.gov...4DAFE2B6D1.pdf
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Old December 14th, 2017, 11:47 PM   #140
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Nothing coming up Al.
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