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Old April 17th, 2017, 07:45 PM   #21
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I'm a little confused after some deep digging with this one. The design dates way back to 2005, and there have been various apps to keep it alive, then we get an app for a tower last year which is the latest app, it gets withdrawn and the decade old design appears on the Seven Capital website? Fishy AF.

- Orginal App from 2005

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Application Number 2005/04827/PA
Application Type Full Planning
Site Address Summer Hill Street City - Sandpits Industrial Estate
Proposal Demolition of existing and erection of 133 residential units and 3 commercial units (A1, A2, B1(a))(shops, financial and professional services or offices) associated access, car parking and landscaping
https://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/...DAURI=PLANNING

- 5 years later in 2010, this app makes an appearance to extend time

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Application Number 2010/03100/PA
Application Type Extend Time to Implement
Site AddressSummer Hill Street City Birmingham - Sandpits Industrial Estate
Proposal Application for planning permission to replace an extant planning application in order to extend the time for implementation of 2005/04827/PA for the erection of 133 residential units and 3 commercial units (A1, A2, B1(a)), associated access, car parking and landscaping.
https://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/...DAURI=PLANNING

- 3 more years later - 2013 another app regarding the previous app is put in

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Application Number 2013/07932/PA
Application Type Variation of Condition
Site Address Sandpits Industrial Estate Summer Hill Street Birmingham B1 2PD
Proposal Variation of conditions 1, 2, 3 ,13, 16 and 17 attached to planning application 2010/03100/PA for the demolition of existing builings and erection of 133 residential units and 3 commercial units (A1, A2, B1a), associated access, car parking and landscaping
https://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/...DAURI=PLANNING

- Another 3 years - 2016, we get an app for a 22 storey tower on the same site, after what I can imagine, an expensive planning process, then gets withdrawn

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Application Number 2016/09340/PA
Application Type Full Planning
Site Address Land at Summer Hill Street, Nelson Street and Sandpits City Centre Birmingham B1 2PD
Proposal Demolition of existing and erection of new buildings between 7 and 22 storeys high for 274 residential apartments, ancillary accommodation and associated works
https://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/...DAURI=PLANNING

Now here we are in 2017 - Decade old desgin turns up on Sevel Capital website saying coming soon.. Are they having us on.
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Old April 17th, 2017, 07:50 PM   #22
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Well done Columbo, I mean Reiss.

Yep, it is an odd one. Very disappointing actually. I was happy with the current offering until I found out what had been withdrawn and now I feel pi55ed off.


Edit : Just thinking about it, other than Lansdowne House, Seven Capital build the low to medium rise blocks. Have they had problems with the construction of Lansdowne? Did they have problems refurbishing No1 Hagley Road? Has it put them off high rise building? Is that a silly question? It all seems a bit odd to me. Surely, a high rise block here with over 270 apartments would yield a much better profit than what they are proposing.

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No, they are committed to very high rise. I'm going to ask Seven Capital tomorrow.
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15 year old designs is what Seven Capital are building and selling.
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Shocking.

I can't imagine the waste of money and resources for the latest app for it to be scarped.
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Shocking.

I can't imagine the waste of money and resources for the latest app for it to be scarped.
Probably less than 300k all in. AKA 1.33 appartments.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 11:06 AM   #27
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They were told planning would be refused for the 22 story tower. I heard one department at Brum council said they wanted a landmark tall building. Then another department said it would be refused because it isn't sympathetic to the 1970s council slum nearby.
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Old April 20th, 2017, 11:08 AM   #28
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They were told planning would be refused for the 22 story tower. I heard one department at Brum council said they wanted a landmark tall building. Then another department said it would be refused because it isn't sympathetic to the 1970s council slum nearby.
That's priceless. You couldn't make it up.
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That's priceless. You couldn't make it up.
It's perfectly sensible if the design or scale impacted on the residential amenity of those who live in the "1970's slum" as Kingsheathen put it. It doesn't quite ring true to me that one department wanted a landmark building and another said it would be refused due to amenity as these two departments would both be the planning department. So i am unsure as to how the same officer would contradict themselves in such a stark contrasting way.

But again this doesn't quite ring true as there is a tower in the middle of the housing opposite the site. I would think there was something more fundamentally wrong with the tower than its impact on the residential dwellings opposite but even this wouldn't make sense as to the position of the tower.

Therefore, I would guess that there were a multitude of things that needed to be addressed to make it acceptable to the officers rather than a simple impact on residential across the road. I would have leaned more towards it is the impact on the buildings/conservation area in the Jewellery Quarter across Sandpits rather than the residential dwellings to the west.

I therefore think, someone has misinterpreted the council's comments or the comments were lost in translation/chinese whispers and once Kingsheathern heard them second, third or fourth hand, the impact had been misconstrued as the residential dwellings over the road, when in actual fact, this referred to the Jewellery Quarter side of the road (also in residential use i believe), possibly.

Notwithstanding any of my analysis above, it is of course possible that they had an issue with the impact on the mid 20th century housing, i just cannot see why.
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This development is being marketed by Seven Capital from Thursday.
So you have to assume this as completely gone under everyones radar and as:
1) Already been approved by Planning? and
2) Is actually very close to a construction start?
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A mind numbingly boring building. Hopefully someone has conveyed this to Seven Capital?!
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At 200k a pop for a 2bed apartment in the sh*ty part of town... do you think they care?

With the average salary in Bham at around the 30K mark, i'd love to know who is buying these.
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At 200k a pop for a 2bed apartment in the sh*ty part of town... do you think they care?

With the average salary in Bham at around the 30K mark, i'd love to know who is buying these.
Average salary 30k are you sure i though the national average was only 26 or 27k ?
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Ctrl+F "late 90's / early 00's apartments" Ctrl+P
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At 200k a pop for a 2bed apartment in the sh*ty part of town... do you think they care?

With the average salary in Bham at around the 30K mark, i'd love to know who is buying these.
Investors with cash. 6% yield plus capital appreciation isn't too bad if you've got a couple of hundred grand handy, and the best part is that if you live abroad you never even have to come and see it!

Us average salary chumps are the ones funding that yield.
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Average salary 30k are you sure i though the national average was only 26 or 27k ?
I believe birmingham is slightly higher than the average in the uk.
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For the city as a whole, the median resident wage is below the national average and the median workplace wage is above the national average.

I can`t post a link but if you google the 'Birmingham Overview:Economic Information and Statistics' page, and then click on Point 8 'Economy and labour market key facts', and then click on 'Average Earnings 2016', there`s a wealth of easy-to-read wages data for the core cities and Birmingham`s parliamentary constituencies in terms of both residents and workplace.

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Investors with cash. 6% yield plus capital appreciation isn't too bad if you've got a couple of hundred grand handy, and the best part is that if you live abroad you never even have to come and see it!

Us average salary chumps are the ones funding that yield.


Surely you only fund the 6% yield if you rent one of the apartments?

Also you don't need a couple of hundred grand to buy one and rent it out. 25% deposit so £50k for a £200k apartment, plus legal fees and expenses. Still a lot of course.

It's good if foreign investors are buying them. They're paying for the redevelopment of Brum
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I don't mind this building at all!!!!
It's not a thoughtless box with no exterior interest unlike so many buildings.

Guess I'm on my own again!!!!
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