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Old August 20th, 2019, 11:35 PM   #361
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Any plans to ever get rid of the flyover?
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Old August 21st, 2019, 10:15 PM   #362
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Any plans to ever get rid of the flyover?
I think it would be absolute suicide if they did remove the Lancaster Circus grade separation - because the city is already gridlocked with enough traffic on at-grade traffic-controlled junctions as it is. There are proposals to remodel all the roundabouts on the eastern side of Middleway Ring Road to accommodate the HS2, when clearly, if there was funding for it, some grade separation (creating underpasses for ring road traffic beneath the roundabouts) would have been a better solution to prevent snarl ups at these points.

As they are now determined to remove Perry Barr flyover - creating two years of disruption in the process - it seems the highways chiefs are quite keen to remove or downgrade every last trace of the city's highways and expressways, regardless of whether they work or not.
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Old August 21st, 2019, 10:28 PM   #363
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As trains and trams use flyovers why the need to remove them for road users?
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 08:58 AM   #364
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I think it would be absolute suicide if they did remove the Lancaster Circus grade separation - because the city is already gridlocked with enough traffic on at-grade traffic-controlled junctions as it is. There are proposals to remodel all the roundabouts on the eastern side of Middleway Ring Road to accommodate the HS2, when clearly, if there was funding for it, some grade separation (creating underpasses for ring road traffic beneath the roundabouts) would have been a better solution to prevent snarl ups at these points.

As they are now determined to remove Perry Barr flyover - creating two years of disruption in the process - it seems the highways chiefs are quite keen to remove or downgrade every last trace of the city's highways and expressways, regardless of whether they work or not.
Define 'work'? St Chads, Paradise etc. The city is OK without these and yet forums were full of people crying mayhem and disaster.
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 11:46 AM   #365
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I think it would be absolute suicide if they did remove the Lancaster Circus grade separation - because the city is already gridlocked with enough traffic on at-grade traffic-controlled junctions as it is. There are proposals to remodel all the roundabouts on the eastern side of Middleway Ring Road to accommodate the HS2, when clearly, if there was funding for it, some grade separation (creating underpasses for ring road traffic beneath the roundabouts) would have been a better solution to prevent snarl ups at these points.

As they are now determined to remove Perry Barr flyover - creating two years of disruption in the process - it seems the highways chiefs are quite keen to remove or downgrade every last trace of the city's highways and expressways, regardless of whether they work or not.
Sometimes I think the only way the people in this city are ever going to embrace the modal shift that we need to make the city centre a more pleasant place as well as combat climate catastrophe is if driving is made utterly unbearable. No more carrot, only stick.
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 02:41 PM   #366
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Sometimes I think the only way the people in this city are ever going to embrace the modal shift that we need to make the city centre a more pleasant place as well as combat climate catastrophe is if driving is made utterly unbearable. No more carrot, only stick.
I'm sure this effects public transport no? As we've seen, closing roads in the City hasn't made anything better, it's just forced all cars on to the remaining open roads in the City.. I understand majority of this forum is anti car, but what happens when we switch to electric cars.. can't really use emissions etc as an excuse.

Anyways, we should see how the CAZ effects the City before removing roads for no reason. I don't think people understand that our roads aren't even bad when you consider cities like Manchester, Newcastle, Leeds and Glasgow that have motorways plowing through the middle of the City.. we're lucky enough to just have the Aston Expressway.
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 04:01 PM   #367
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I'm sure this effects public transport no? As we've seen, closing roads in the City hasn't made anything better, it's just forced all cars on to the remaining open roads in the City.. .
But those remaining roads aren't any more congested than they were when the roads were open. I've not noticed a significant regular issue with road. There is always traffic but things only get very bad when there is an issue with the MWay.

There are still some flash points in the city centre though but generally, it still takes the same amount of time to get through it as it did before (unless you knew some back routes and rat runs). I drive in the city daily too.
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 05:39 PM   #368
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But those remaining roads aren't any more congested than they were when the roads were open. I've not noticed a significant regular issue with road. There is always traffic but things only get very bad when there is an issue with the MWay.

There are still some flash points in the city centre though but generally, it still takes the same amount of time to get through it as it did before (unless you knew some back routes and rat runs). I drive in the city daily too.
The two main roads that come to mind when thinking of congestion is Upper Dean Street (Soon to be turned into a bus only road) and Hill Street/Navigation Street (I think this is partly down to the Mailbox Zerba Crossing).. You are right in saying other roads haven't become more congested, but I think the Councils plan to rid cars out of the City hasn't worked. But there are simple things the council can do to help congestion in the City, and this starts with the timing of traffic lights, many traffic lights in the City have sensors, but they don't seem to be turned on, lets take Summer Row/Great Charles Street junction, this is a T junction, with one of the exits been bus only, for some reason these lights are on a 3 way sequence, which cause traffic to back both main routes which makes 0 sense to me, as both could be moving at the same time with the bus only exit been triggered only when a bus arrives at the lights!!

Another thing that irritates me, the closure of Moor Street car park exit, and the Digbeth Gyrotary, the closure of the latter has helped I must admit, but its more the way they have left both of them, really messy. 2015 both these roads were closed, transport should be ashamed of not finishing the job.

Anyways, road/car discussions always take a nasty turn on this forum, so lets get back to topic
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 05:43 PM   #369
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Anyways, road/car discussions always take a nasty turn on this forum, so lets get back to topic
I'd rather talk about roads than this gopping building
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Old August 23rd, 2019, 01:21 AM   #371
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Any plans to ever get rid of the flyover?
Jeez I hope not!
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Old September 14th, 2019, 11:10 PM   #373
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Old September 21st, 2019, 10:15 PM   #374
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Beastly this! Still quite a way to go too.
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Beastly this! Still quite a way to go too.
I'm still confused with this building Reiss, in my photo's you can clearly see windows but where are they on the renders ?

I really cant work it out ???
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I'm still confused with this building Reiss, in my photo's you can clearly see windows but where are they on the renders ?



I really cant work it out ???


Brum, honestly I couldn't tell you!
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It’s not quite being built to the same look as the render.
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It’s not quite being built to the same look as the render.
omg, what do you mean djay. You mean we may get something different to the render ??
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