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Old November 8th, 2017, 07:31 PM   #41
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The older renders looked substantially better externally than the current design...having a slightly taller tower is nothing to do with aesthetics.
Do you mean that vulgar yellow and black thing?

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I think the bank of the canal should be stone not steel piles.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 08:14 PM   #43
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I think the bank of the canal should be stone not steel piles.


I think those steel sheet piles are already there. I agree it would be better if they were changed for something more pleasant looking. Ideally a flat tow path with mooring points.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #44
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I think those steel sheet piles are already there. I agree it would be better if they were changed for something more pleasant looking. Ideally a flat tow path with mooring points.


No I'm talking rubbish. This is what the site looks like.

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Old November 8th, 2017, 08:29 PM   #45
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The older renders looked substantially better externally than the current design...having a slightly taller tower is nothing to do with aesthetics.
Fair enough. I liked the cladding or the red bricks from the old renders, however as a whole it felt a bit overbearing for the area. I love the fact that now apart from the tower, most buildings are scaled down by a floor or two, so they fit in better with what's around it, but also we have a more of a proper and slender tower, as opposed to the towery stump of the old renders. And the additional new thoroughfare and widened area around river rea are hugely important addition. In the new renders I only saw one other building apart from the tower, and no I'm not a fan of the white façade, but other than that I love the new scheme. Anyway I think we digressed a bit, sorry for talking about connaught square on here
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Old November 8th, 2017, 10:15 PM   #46
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Indeed.

On the flip side, perhaps the combination of HS2 and Brexit-induced fleeing from London will boost Birmingham beyond all recognition...
Oooooooooh am i seeing just a little bit of optimism of a post brexit Birmingham Jay if all goes to plan ????
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EDIT: Just seen the edited post above!

Another potential game changer for this area, I do hope there is a bit of a commercial element within this, I notice in the second visual here what appears to be an image of a bar and gym.
I remember the area in and around Liberty Place on Sheepcote Street looking not too nice like this area prior to its construction. That was a quality build by Crosby Homes and along with surrounding developments totally rejuvinated an "unsafe" area. The company behind this, is an offshoot I gather from them.
Really exciting proposal!
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Old November 8th, 2017, 10:28 PM   #48
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On a related note - I can't understand why the area around the Methodist Hall by JWQ is still so scabby. There is amazing student footfall there and there are some genuinely nice old buildings. That would be a good place for a regenerated statement square.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 10:44 PM   #49
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On a related note - I can't understand why the area around the Methodist Hall by JWQ is still so scabby. There is amazing student footfall there and there are some genuinely nice old buildings. That would be a good place for a regenerated statement square.
Isn't that area earmarked in the Eastside masterplan as a potential site for a new square, with the road being reduced to just one lane and turned into a park? I hope it comes to fruition one day. The recent announcement about the Methodist Hall being turned into a plush hotel with independent businesses on the ground floor is a step in the right direction. also a brand new independent coffee shop/record store is opening in that area very soon.
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Old November 8th, 2017, 11:15 PM   #50
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Oooooooooh am i seeing just a little bit of optimism of a post brexit Birmingham Jay if all goes to plan ????
Not really for this thread. It was a bit tongue in cheek. Unless we get the right deals in place then London won't be as an attractive place to invest or live, hence the benefit to Birmingham. It's quite comforting to see all these proposals being brought forward for Birmingham and [email protected] I'm unsure whether any other cities outside London are seeing anywhere near the same levels of U/C and pipeline?
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Old November 9th, 2017, 01:54 AM   #51
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Lovely development, can't beat classic brick imo
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Old November 9th, 2017, 08:22 AM   #52
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I'm unsure whether any other cities outside London are seeing anywhere near the same levels of U/C and pipeline?
Leeds is doing very well at the moment.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 08:50 AM   #53
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Leeds is doing very well at the moment.
Office wise it is but residential not until the last month or so? Practically nothing happening until recently. Still not a patch on what Birmingham's got going on.
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Old November 9th, 2017, 08:40 PM   #54
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Indeed - it's a signal of intent that this will be a good quality proposal on the northern side of Great Charles Street. I do fear for St Chad's though - it's meant to be a historical statement building and it's at risk of getting bullied by high rises going up around it. Snow Hill Three is already looming over it from the other side of the road. Cathedrals also need drives and parks surrounding them - I wonder if one could be cheated out of the space there one day when Charles St is inevitably downgraded?
St Patricks Cathedral New York seems to be more beautiful exactly because of the buildings around it. Sometimes the opposite of what we expect can transpire...
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Leeds is doing very well at the moment.
As Jay has mentioned, until recently it has really lagged behing in terms of U/C, even now its crane count is just about double figures, compared to around 30 in Birmingham.

Plus Birmingham is seeing transport projects get off the ground too like the Metro extension and further developments at BHX Airport. All of these play a part in the transformation of Birmingham into a first class city.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 07:24 PM   #56
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St Patricks Cathedral New York seems to be more beautiful exactly because of the buildings around it. Sometimes the opposite of what we expect can transpire...

Exactly my thought when I saw Harborne's comment, but couldn't remember the name of the cathedral. St Patrick's is like a beacon of serenity amongst the "roar" of NYC around it.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 07:51 PM   #57
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What a lovely looking development. So glad brick is back in fashion, adds so much more depth to the built environment. Hope this one is a quick start after planning approval.
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Old November 10th, 2017, 08:29 PM   #58
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Exactly my thought when I saw Harborne's comment, but couldn't remember the name of the cathedral. St Patrick's is like a beacon of serenity amongst the "roar" of NYC around it.
"Beacon of serenity". Couldnt have put it better if I tried. NYC's ones are masterful, however they are well funded places that lie within hugely densely populated areas that have been there for years. Certainly, having a church dating back to the first irish immigrants links generations of the city together, brings out the community that makes the city and the area around all these other churches so unbelievably great. New Yorkers just get on with things & accept the evolution of their city as it continues to rise upward.

There's one in Sydney where all modern scrapers have been positioned to respectfully give the church focal point status. I love that.

Taking into account all of that, if it's done tastefully and the tower is nicely-designed, having a plethora of classic old & new architecture side by side in Birmingham, I really don't mind it, I'll just embrace it
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Old November 10th, 2017, 09:11 PM   #59
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I've seen those two up close and they certainly look fine amongst the surrounding skyscrapers.

To be fair the buildings are much taller than what we have & will get in this area, however they should frame in nicely and hopefully some kind of square will evolve around St Chads.
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Recommended for approval in next weeks planning meeting subject to a S106 agreement.
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