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Old February 14th, 2018, 12:59 PM   #61
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Business Desk article on Snow Hill Wharf

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Old February 14th, 2018, 02:21 PM   #62
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Business Desk article on Snow Hill Wharf

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I'm amazed at all the opposition to this scheme. The area behind St Chad's cathedral is untidy, partially derilict and definetly unsafe.
This type of development reinvigorates the area and makes it safe. Nothing will take away the grandeur of the cathedral, even tall buildings. What brings "detriment" to the area is the neglect which the cathedral currently sits close to.
Not wanting to be negative, but I have an awful feeling our "wise and expert" planning committee could well support the opposition to this scheme and reject it.
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Old February 14th, 2018, 02:35 PM   #63
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They say it's going to overshadow St Chads Cathedral?? Have they not seen what's currently going up opposite the Cathedral, honestly you'd think the committee live in a different City.
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The renders remind me of parts of Pimlico in London. It's going to be quite a dramatic transformation of this part of the city, especially as it has retail and will hopefully be the first of many schemes for the area.
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Old February 14th, 2018, 10:38 PM   #65
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They're just crazy, If anything has a negative impact on the cathedral, it's the horrible road layout outside, I mean there's a dual carriageway directly in front of it, I can't think of anything more unpleasant and dreary than that. And the whole vicinity of the cathedral is just a pedestrian nightmare. Again one of the areas where the city core is brutally and abruptly cut off. Let's hope that this and all the forthcoming schemes will remedy that.
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Old February 14th, 2018, 11:31 PM   #66
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Snow Hill Wharf | Shadwell Street | Apartments | 21FL | 67m | Prop.

couldn’t agree more - surely this will kick start a renaissance for the St Chads area - after all its had to stare at the bloody awful Holiday Inn and the Royal Angus Hotel for the last 40 odd years!

It’s probably the worst area in the city centre, this can only improve it.
It will also give a boost to the canal network.

Bring it on!
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Old February 14th, 2018, 11:40 PM   #67
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Calling St Chads the worst area in the City is a bit of a stretch, well, unless you mean behind St Chads (Shadwell Stree etc), the actual junction is large but there's quite a lot of greenery incorporated into it and of course Snowhill Three going up, the area is far from grim. Holiday Inn could use another lick of paint, but since the new windows went in and the new podium at ground level, its not too bad, Royal Angus is also going through a refurbishment as we type.

If you ask me, there are much worse buildings around the BT Tower.

I do agree on improving the Canal Network though, the Gun Quarter is finally getting some love, and although the Lower Loveday Street apartments got refused, hopefully we see more apartments going up in the area.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 09:37 AM   #68
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I agree with Moseleyan that the road layout does the area no favours.

I did have the area behind St Chads in mind - and your right regards SnowHill Three having a positive impact.

Hopefully that along with this proposal will kick start the improvements needed to give St Chads a much better surrounding environment.

These things take time, and I can see this area eventually following the same path as what’s happening at the Paradise end of Great Charles St.

If the Bomb Site finally kicks off then who knows how well this area will look, and of course there’s the SnowHill master plan.

All good stuff and moving in the right direction.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 11:54 AM   #69
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As we prepare for a desicion today, have a new render!



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Old February 15th, 2018, 02:39 PM   #70
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Approved. 7 votes to 4. (According to Neil Elkes Twitter feed).
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Old February 15th, 2018, 06:09 PM   #71
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Brilliant news. Thank you for all the positive updates.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 06:11 PM   #72
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It is good news but four people voted against it. Why have four people voted against it? What a disgrace.
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Old February 15th, 2018, 07:12 PM   #73
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Cllr Moore had a parking related rant again today.

There's a few reasons I could see a vote against this. It is very tall in the region of the Cathedral. (Even though Snow Hill is literally on top of it).

The way it interacts with the canal is a bit weird. It doesn't overly match the surrounding architecture. (Which is a pile of shite so I would rather it didn't.)
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It is good news but four people voted against it. Why have four people voted against it? What a disgrace.
4 reasons you could vote against the development....

1) Against the site development framework that states a mix of uses should be provided on the site.
2) Impact on St Chads particularly when looking away from Snowhill, not necessarily towards, and other heritage assets.
3) Against the policies in the Tall Buildings SPG.
4) Impact upon the daylight received by neighbouring residents.

Whether this is enough to out weigh the benefits of more housing etc. is a different arguement but there are 3 reasons for you.
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Old February 16th, 2018, 04:21 PM   #77
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Love the look of this development, hopefully it can be the start of more around the canal in this part of the city. Having an area similar to Brindley Place with bars and restaurants would be great, give people a reason to continue walking from the NIA down to this part.
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Old February 18th, 2018, 09:51 AM   #78
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Love the look of this development, hopefully it can be the start of more around the canal in this part of the city. Having an area similar to Brindley Place with bars and restaurants would be great, give people a reason to continue walking from the NIA down to this part.


This is exactly what we need. A few more Brindly Place style leisure areas on the canal. This stretch of canal was the best place for such a development. Obviously that probably won't happen now. The next best area is the canal by Matalan.

The council needs to plan a development like this soon before all the canals have residential on them.
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4 reasons you could vote against the development....

1) Against the site development framework that states a mix of uses should be provided on the site.
2) Impact on St Chads particularly when looking away from Snowhill, not necessarily towards, and other heritage assets.
3) Against the policies in the Tall Buildings SPG.
4) Impact upon the daylight received by neighbouring residents.

Whether this is enough to out weigh the benefits of more housing etc. is a different arguement but there are 3 reasons for you.
Just makes me laugh so much that any objection could be given because of affecting St Chads. Look at churches around the world that are hemmed in by skyscrapers, look at the monstrosity that is going up on the opposite side of the rd (whether you like it or not that building is immense), look at the dirty noisy rd outside, then look at the surrounding area, all mid rises and nondescript buildings... look at St Martins and the tower that was approved. I don't get the logic. St Chads will benefit from that area being opened up and the more people around there the more the Cathedral will come back into focus.. how many of you here have ever been inside? Or on planning? But if you had reason to walk past I bet you'd have a mooch on a rainy day.
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