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Old July 15th, 2019, 07:11 AM   #3021
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Two more things to keep in mind:

Motorways are built not just for passenger vehicles, but also for lorries. So, freight routes are a very important thing to consider. And passenger vehicles being able to overtake lorries, also an important consideration. (In the south, A8 from Patra to Athens is very busy, and was such a mess with both lorries and passenger cars before becoming a proper motorway). Italy is Greece's largest trading partner; and trade further to Germany, Austria, etc could just be channeled through there. So, that was priority. But you're right, that Chalástra-Evzones and the Central European route should regain importance. It's indisputable.

The second thing to remember is that, the state was not very good in infrastructure matters before the PPP model was introduced, first for motorways, Athens airport, Athens metro, and Rio-Antirrio Bridge in the 1990s; then in the 2000s and 2010s for the ports, regional airports, and Thessaloniki metro. Chalástra-Evzones was only fairly recently transferred from state management to PPP, so that may also explain why much of it (Chalástra-Polýkastro) has remained 2x1 since 1973. But it is indeed a mystery that the Egnatia Odos website does not mention any plans for the near future for this section.
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Old July 15th, 2019, 05:49 PM   #3022
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The motorway between Chalástra and NMK-border is interesting in many ways. Because even though Greece is formally trying to get this motorway to get lower priority, it is of great importance. And, as I said, it is this motorway that connects the Greek motorways with the rest of Europe.

Trucks gladly take a ferry generally, not least the drivers want to go ferry and rest in these.

But private cars from Greece I have seen going this way from Chalástra via NMK-border and on to Belgrade and north. A while ago I met a Greek car that had driven from Chalástra via NMK-border, Skopje. Belgrade, Zagreb, Ljubljana and it was going to Venice in northern Italy. I talked to those who went in the car so I know. They came from Thessaloniki. They said for them the motorway from Chalástra via NMK-border, Skopje. Belgrade, Zagreb and Ljubljana were the easiest for them, and besides, this is the road that has absolutely the best road standard from Greece and beyond. So there are Greeks who choose this even if they go to certain parts of Italy.

It is also interesting that this is part of the A1, ie the motorway to Athens. If you come from Athens and go to Thessaloniki then you continue on A2 after Chalástra. It is A1 that goes from Chalástra to NMK-border. Thus a part in a kind of primary main motorway that actually goes from NMK-border to Athens. The part to Thessaloniki is thus slightly more secondary.

So actually the part between Chalástra and NMK-border is the primary motorway that connects the capital Athens with the rest of Europe.

But of course, I agree that the motorway here is so old can be the reason why it is there. Had it not existed during the 1990s, it probably would not have been built today either. Then the motorway towards Bulgaria had a much higher priority, through the EU.

But in 1973 it was via Yugoslavia it was more convenient for Greeks to travel. Bulgaria was a part of then Eastern Europe, while Yugoslavia was more neutral, despite Tito's regime.

But it is still interesting that this motorway is from 1973. The part against Katerini was also built in 1973. Greece had a political crisis 1967-1974. But still, they apparently had the finances and resources to build this motorway.
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Old July 19th, 2019, 02:00 PM   #3023
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There has recently been an earthquake in Athens. Does anyone know if a bridge is damaged in this?
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No, most of the damage has been done only in old buildings and all other structure are mostly unaffected, there is no comparison to the previous years' destructive earthquakes which also included human loss and so on.
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No, most of the damage has been done only in old buildings and all other structure are mostly unaffected, there is no comparison to the previous years' destructive earthquakes which also included human loss and so on.

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Old August 4th, 2019, 06:01 AM   #3026
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Two recently published Greek motorway-related videos.

A tour of the recently inaugurated section of motorway A52, Vonitsa I/C - Aktio:



A video from the Attiki Odos (Attica Tollway) operator discussing every day operations and available services:
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Old August 5th, 2019, 03:27 AM   #3027
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I've made a reference about that in the Greek forum, but as you can see our problem with mistaken signs persists.....this new A52 motorway uses capital letters (like the first motorway sections opened between mid 1990s-mid 2000s) instead of fully replacing them with the current norm (small letters and many others)....the situation gets much worse in A1 where there is a huge mess in the signs which in some sections use even different typefaces!! The problem is much less common in newly opened motorways BUT not the A52....idk why
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We will probably never find out.
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Old August 25th, 2019, 10:28 AM   #3029
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Any news on the completion of the EO65 expressway?

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EO65: Nea Santa – Assiros (A25) 11.4km (? to March 2018) – ? – map
Following a visit of the Head of Central Makedonia Region and President of opposition party in the area, we have an updated delivery date for August 2019
I've been there in May. It looked (partially?) quite advanced but I cannot remember that I've seen anyone working. Are works suspended?

It's also visible on Google Satellite. The neighboring section to the west is 2x2 but is the new section wide enough for 2x2? Do they only build one carriageway now?
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Old September 16th, 2019, 08:03 PM   #3031
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Is there any change in motorway construction priorities since the change of government??
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Old September 17th, 2019, 01:19 AM   #3032
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Thessaloniki Ring Road to be upgraded with a 300m-euro PPP project

https://ypodomes.com/thessaloniki-ri...o-ppp-project/

Plans for a new highway between Thessaloniki and Edessa

https://ypodomes.com/apaitoyntai-220...loniki-edessa/ ( in greek)

VOAK( Cretan northern Highway latest developments

https://ypodomes.com/epanexetazetai-...smoy-toy-voak/
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In few words the bidding it seems that it will be repeated or the governement will perform some changes into the bidding process so the whole project can be viable according to their economical standards

E65 Southern Branch Lamia (A1 interchange)-Ksiniada

https://ypodomes.com/aytokinitodromo...lamia-xyniada/
Summary , the progress on that lot is around 43% and they hope that around the next year (mid to end of 2020) they will inaguarate the first 15 km of the section ,from the interchange with the highway A1 ( Patra Athina Thessalonik Evzoni) till the interchange with the National Road 38( E952) Lamia- Karpenisi .As for the rest of the of the lot , they hope to be ready before 27 december of 2021( deadline)

A52 Amvrakia Odos (highway) gets finally its final verdict towards realisation


https://www.mypreveza.gr/2019/08/%CF...%BB%CE%B1.html ( greek)

and

http://www.astakos-news.gr/2019/08/blog-post_65.html ( greek)
summary:bidding process has been unblocked and the government wants this highway to be completed before the end of 2023
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Old September 17th, 2019, 01:36 AM   #3033
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ohhh yeah!

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Is there any change in motorway construction priorities since the change of government??
Firstly they want to begin biding process for upgrade of A1 Chalastra Evzoni ( that will give us a joy ) into a 2x 2 motorway but it is still early .
Begin bidding process for A13 Thives - Elefsina ( highway that was abandoned by the previous governments )
Complete A3/E65 ( Lamia -Ksiniada lot),
begin the biding process for the underwater roadlink between Athens and island of Salamina
They have cancelled the bidding process for the highway Patra Pyrgos and they redo the bidding process again . They also want to make a highway till Glika nera after the completion of Patra Pyrgos ( it is highly probable that Olympia Odos is going to buy that part of teh highway ) . Also they want to make an express way that will end to the Ancient archaelogical site of Olympia.
They want to build an expressway that goes from Kalamata to Pilos ( Methoni)
They want to begin bidding process for the extension of A5 from Ioannina to the albanian borders ( Kakavia)
they want to build into a full highway A27 ,the part of the Ptolemaida Florina that is still half profile
They want to do also A12 Velestino Volos into a Highway ( with tolls of course)
They want to do the A64 ( Attiki odos --> Pikermi-Rafina lot) and also the A64 towards Vouliagmeni Bulevard through some urban undergound Tunnels)
They want also to begin planning ofr a Hughway or expressway between Lamia and Karpenisi and a connection of the city of Agrinio with Ionia odos (A5)
Also do the A11 expansion towards north of Chalkis ( till the city of Psahna-north of Chalkis)
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As for the toll system ,i can confirm that even with foreign vehicle plates you can acquire the fastpasses and tags for the different highways . There are two blocks of companies were their passes are valid.
On the one side is Aegean motorways ( eway ) Attiki Odos (attiki e-pass) , Olympia Odos ( O- pass) and Moreas Odos ( Moreas pass)

MAP:
https://www.moreas.com.gr/homepage_o...eroperability/

On the other side is the Nea odos ( fastpass) , Kentriki odos ( Kentriki pass) and Ionia Odos ( Ionia pass)

Maps :
https://www.kentrikiodos.gr/map-general/?lang=en

https://www.neaodos.gr/map-general/?lang=en

You can acquire the etags only if you are on the toll stations between 9:00 am till 5:00 pm workdays or through mail services ( extra charging is 12 euros) but i think only withing Greece. The device is free of charge from whoever toll station you acquire it and or through mail ( but in that case they will overcharge you with 12 euros -mail service cost ) and in order to activate it you have to put at least 15 euros minimum. You will need you Id or Passport , fill in a form and sign it , give the papers of your car and if they ask you for a tax number ( A Fi Mi in greek) just put your tax code you have or personal code for tax or insurance in your country . You can load the passes at the tollstations that are for EACH tag and is very important!! because you cant load money into a tag that belongs to the Aegean highway to a toll station that belongs to another highway operator (like ionia odos attiki etc ).You can also put money through internet ( by using cc or debit card )by registering your self to the specific websites of the passes

Aegean Highway
: https://www.aegeanmotorway.gr/en/com...ter&Itemid=704

Attiki odos : https://cs.attiki-odos.gr/default.asp?catid=3974 , they even have an application for tablets and smartphones " my e-pass "

Olympia odos : https://opass.olympiaodos.gr/EPT/webAccess.aspx

Moreas i didnt find but they have one as well
Nea odos is together with Ionia and Kentriki odos on this website :

https://www.fastpass.gr/index.php/en/
( at the bottom of the website there is an option that says "Register"

Hints and tips : Despite the interoparibility of the e-tags you cant load the transponders in situ (for example Aegean motorway e-tags , at toll stations that belong to other companies like Nea odos Ionia odos attiki odos olympia etc )
the two groups are excluded one from another so as you can see on the maps you need to have only one tag from each group in order to be ok . For example if you are coming to Greece from Italy then you need to take a Olympian Odos pass and a Ionian pass ( in case you come through Igoumenitsa) and in that case you can have the possibility to put money in advance or through internet or to the toll stations of Ionia odos ( if you want to use Ionia odos and later Nea odos network or kentriki) and the Olympian odos ( if you want to use Olympia odos , Morea odos , Attiki Odos , Rio Antirrio bridge , and Aegean Odos )
For people that come from central Europe or northern Balkans they can take Aegean Motorway pass and put the money they need to at the first toll station of Aegean odos so you can use if you want the Aegean odos till Pelasgia( near Lamia) and the rest of the abovementioned highways of the first group and then buy the kentriki odos so they can put money in advance so you can use with out prolem the fast pass for the highway towards Athens or future E65 towards trikala or Ionia odos. If you come from the Balkans and you pass evzoni or promahonas and want to go to Lefkada by car then Ionia fastpass is the best option no need for aegean motorway e way pass or whatsoever.
The tolls right after each border of Greece with neighboring countries and also the Egnatia odos tolls are without pass ( in the future they will put e pass service even for Egnatia odos so we will see) so you have to wait and pay by cash or credit card
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. They also want to make a highway till Glika nera after the completion of Patra Pyrgos ( it is highly probable that Olympia Odos is going to buy that part of teh highway ) .
Didnt Olympia Odos not spend many years trying to get out of an existing obligation to build Patras Pyrgos in the first place. ??
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As for the toll system ,i can confirm that even with foreign vehicle plates you can acquire the fastpasses and tags for the different highways . There are two blocks of companies were their passes are valid

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Oh, nice... This is a perfect how-to how you can make something which is meant to make things easier and comfortable really difficult and complicated. And after a while they will wonder why just few people are using it...
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Old September 17th, 2019, 09:47 AM   #3037
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No other country got a single etag that worked everywhere on day 1 either.

Greece at least did that much. Give it a few years and you will be able to precharge them anywhere and they will probably allow some credit limits to established users in the end.
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Thessaloniki Ring Road to be upgraded with a 300m-euro PPP project

https://ypodomes.com/thessaloniki-ri...o-ppp-project/
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The main idea of the project is the creation of a fly-over with 2 lanes of traffic per direction. It will start from Papageorgiou Hospital and reach Konstantinopolitika area, with a length of about 4 km.
A 4km long fly-over?

The distance from Papageorgiou Hospital to Konstantinopolitika is about 8km though.

The motorway is already 2x3 (w/o hard shoulders) and congested during rush hour. I drove there last May. I can't imagine a "4km fly-over". An elevated bridge over the existing motorway?
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. I can't imagine a "4km fly-over". An elevated bridge over the existing motorway?
A "fly over" is usually a road crossing a road. An 'elevated parallel motorway' is perhaps what they mean, for through traffic.
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Didnt Olympia Odos not spend many years trying to get out of an existing obligation to build Patras Pyrgos in the first place. ??


Yes it did , but the previous goverment reviewed the whole process and tried to cut it into more sublots and give it to other companies .Political stuff . But now they have to act fast and give it to Olympia Odos before the subsidy from EU expires ( 2023 -‘24)
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