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Old September 12th, 2019, 08:55 AM   #10581
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The problem appears to be much more serious, but I am no technical expert. The CNAIR is speaking about some foundation mistakes, and even about the fact that some sections need to be demolished and rebuilt, that bad seems to be. In any case, from the pictures it seems that there are some sections where the asphalt is splitting on the lenght of the section. Like here:






Also, one of the viaducts seems too short and the water from Mures is infiltrating the understructures, so the viaduct over the river needs to be rebuilt. Hopefully an independent assessment will be done, because this is scandalous.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 09:57 AM   #10582
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Maybe you should explain also this picture:



And after that, try to explain why it is not open for traffic, even with restriction. Maybe so you will figure out why that this last "problem" (the bridge over Mures) wasn't mention until yesterday - they simply need to find a big enough "problem" to cover they ass. They started with fences, drainage, asphalt and now, as time goes by, they come out with bigger and bigger issues.

But guess what: even if the issues is right (and the bridge is shorter than it should be) it's still on their (CNAIR) fault - they approved the technical project, they gave the building permit.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 10:41 AM   #10583
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It is FIDIC YELLOW - so design-build. The builder also makes the design.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 05:02 PM   #10584
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LeClerk, I am not sure what you complain about "decency". Why would it be worse posting the content of a press release, than all the false claims about supposed opening times that you post?

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It is FIDIC YELLOW - so design-build. The builder also makes the design.

And as passadia said - CNAIR approved the design. They are thus not innocent, even IF the builder was the main culprit.


In any case, I am pretty sure that this will end like most other terminations have ended in Romania - long delays for the people to actually use the motorway, much higher costs (not having warranty anymore, paying fines after arbitration, ...), all because CNAIR is not able to properly prepare, tender, select builders, and monitor projects.

I don't know any other country in the EU that has that a poor efficiency as Romania. That's something you'd have to dispute with some actual facts, but you don't have them.
And even if now in this case CNAIR WOULD be right, that doesn't change that in most other projects, they are the root cause for the problems. And even in this case, a road organisation that would do a proper monitoring of the works would have noticed these issues, if they are real and serious, long time ago, and could have ACTED upon them. CNAIR didn't.
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Old September 12th, 2019, 11:03 PM   #10585
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Maybe you should explain also this picture:

And after that, try to explain why it is not open for traffic, even with restriction. Maybe so you will figure out why that this last "problem" (the bridge over Mures) wasn't mention until yesterday - they simply need to find a big enough "problem" to cover they ass. They started with fences, drainage, asphalt and now, as time goes by, they come out with bigger and bigger issues.

But guess what: even if the issues is right (and the bridge is shorter than it should be) it's still on their (CNAIR) fault - they approved the technical project, they gave the building permit.
Do you have more photos of that bridge?
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Old September 13th, 2019, 06:10 AM   #10586
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This is the bridge:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3P42NQJHP1jjx8cp7

I will look for photos also, but most of Thorn are from 2016 when IT was U/C.
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Old September 13th, 2019, 12:57 PM   #10587
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And as passadia said - CNAIR approved the design. They are thus not innocent, even IF the builder was the main culprit.
Finally you admit the obvious, that it is FIDIC YELLOW and that it was the consortium responsible to make the TD. Of course CNAIR is to blame for accepting that ( I said it on the previous page, but it was missed probably), as was the engineer who was the consultant for CNAIR.
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Old September 13th, 2019, 12:57 PM   #10588
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Huge progress for A3 near the border with HU

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Old September 13th, 2019, 01:37 PM   #10589
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Huge Progress on the Bacau Bypass as well in recent months. Christmas here we come.
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Old September 13th, 2019, 01:49 PM   #10590
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Actually it was better in the previous months. 27% starting works in March is not that bad. But for August, probably many went on vacation and shut down the site. Not only for that project.
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Old September 13th, 2019, 04:37 PM   #10591
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But for August, probably many went on vacation and shut down the site. Not only for that project.
According to YOUR stats bypass, Bacau is the only project with no progress in July and August. Only two more projects had no progress in August. Out of 10 projects in total.

With the same progress, Bacau bypass might be opened in late 2020...
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Old September 13th, 2019, 05:09 PM   #10592
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On the contrary, number of workers has been doubled for Bacau bypass for the last two months (relocated from A1 Deva-Ilia). And they definitely did not slow down the work. Check PUM/API forum for updates.

27% was dust in the eyes from the Cuc minister, he even estimate 30% two months ago. The real progress is more than satisfying but ... c'mon...
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Old September 13th, 2019, 05:24 PM   #10593
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If I got you right, Le Clerk's figures must be... crap?
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Old September 13th, 2019, 06:23 PM   #10594
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Those are the official CNAIR progress reports for infrastructure projects (motorways) in Romania. And ... yes... you can consider them crap.
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Old September 13th, 2019, 06:32 PM   #10595
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It is CNAIR's crap, and LeClerk's not-reflected broadcasting of those numbers...

While it seems unlikely that there was no progress at all in the last months, in general, these progress numbers are not appropriate to reflect real construction progress, as they seem to rather represent the financial worth of what has been built. So very often, if the builder produces a large amount of beams, that is reflected as a large progress, even though that doesn't necessarily reflect the appropriate time needed to perform the works..


And also for the A3 lot, keep in mind that this is a 5km lot, so with a decent amount of workers, one can reach a lot of progress relatively quickly...
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Old September 13th, 2019, 07:28 PM   #10596
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Oh look!! Everyone is offering much better and substantiated figures. If this is "crap" are you up for non-crap figures?! BTW: for A3 are also crap? And for the rest?!
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Those are the official CNAIR progress reports for infrastructure projects (motorways) in Romania. And ... yes... you can consider them crap.
How is then the figure for LOT3 Lugoj-Deva valid, but not for the rest?! And what is other method for determining progress if not financial cost advance and acceptance by CNAIR?! Looking forward to seeing alternatives from smarts here.
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Old September 13th, 2019, 07:44 PM   #10598
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And for the rest?!
Do I have to roll out the satellite again??? Sigh!

The Bacau Bypass was missing a major bridge if you Clicky Here for the 3rd of September and on the same day it looks like there is a House on the way of the Bacau Bypass if you Clicky Here Instead
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The A1 dispute has reached the English news media: http://www.globalconstructionreview....ites-diplomat/
A dispute between Romania’s highways agency and a Spanish-led construction consortium threatens to become a diplomatic row between their governments following the cancellation of a 21km highway contract after it was all but complete.

The agency, CNAIR, commissioned the work on Romania’s A1 motorway between Cosevita and Ilia, near the city of Timisoara in the west of the country, in October 2013. The winning bidder was a team made up of Comsa (Spain), Aldesa Construccion (Spain), Teloxim (Romania) and Arcadis (Netherlands).

After 99% of the work was completed, CNAIR said there were problems with the way the work had been done, and on 28 August it executed its contractual right to step in and fix them itself. Meanwhile, the construction companies claimed CNAIR still had to pay them a significant part of the contract sum.
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Old September 13th, 2019, 10:12 PM   #10600
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Do I have to roll out the satellite again??? Sigh!

The Bacau Bypass was missing a major bridge if you Clicky Here for the 3rd of September and on the same day it looks like there is a House on the way of the Bacau Bypass if you Clicky Here Instead

No no, really, from the supposed 25% in May, LeClerk had already concluded that A7 will be finished this year, don't shatter that now with facts and common sense
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