Northgate Development News and Photos - Page 15 - SkyscraperCity
 

forums map | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Continental Forums > North American Skyscrapers Forum > United States > West Coast and Interior West > Local Forums > Seattle


Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old July 25th, 2019, 05:25 PM   #281
Ruffhauser
Correspondent
 
Ruffhauser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Queen Anne
Posts: 7,889
Likes (Received): 10376

From todays DJC.

https://www.djc.com/news/re/12123834.html

July 25, 2019

Intracorp files plan for 290 units on Northgate retail site

The project would replace a 1952 building that houses the Display & Costume party supply store.

By BRIAN MILLER
Real Estate Editor

Intracorp and Studio Meng Strazzara have filed an early redevelopment plan for a new five-story apartment building with 290 units at 11201 Roosevelt Way N.E., a little northeast of Northgate.

The site is west of QFC, and about a 20-minute walk southwest to Northgate Station, where light rail service will begin in 2021. Northgate itself is poised for a dramatic multiyear makeover with apartments, offices, hotels, a three-rink ice center and less retail.

The property was recently upzoned from 40 to 55 feet.

The project would replace a 1952 retail building that houses the Display & Costume store. The 1.6-acre property last traded 1985 for $825,000. Now it looks to be on the market, though it's not publicly listed for sale.

Immediately to the south of the store, and also not listed for sale, is Northgate Village. That property, at 820 N.E. Northgate Way, is also now zoned up to 55 feet, making it a ripe target for redevelopment.




Ruffhauser no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old July 25th, 2019, 07:43 PM   #282
Capitol Hill
Registered User
 
Capitol Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 12,773
Likes (Received): 6586

There was an article last week in DJC saying Macy’s demolition would begin quickly. Does anybody know if the demolition permits are approved?
Capitol Hill no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 26th, 2019, 12:28 AM   #283
smerfylicious
Registered User
 
smerfylicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Mill Creek
Posts: 2,147
Likes (Received): 2771

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capitol Hill View Post
There was an article last week in DJC saying Macy’s demolition would begin quickly. Does anybody know if the demolition permits are approved?


I see zero demo permits for 401 NE Northgate Way, which is the address for the main part of the mall.

They're a bit a ways away from MUP, and they usually don't issue a demo permit until MUP is secured.

Here's the approval for a portion of the site from the June 3 meeting:

https://web6.seattle.gov/dpd/edms/Ge...spx?id=4764940

Here's the DRB approval for the portion of the site from the June 10 meeting:

https://web6.seattle.gov/dpd/edms/Ge...spx?id=4778852


Other than that, they have a meeting coming up...or it already happened...I'm too lazy to remember.
__________________

Capitol Hill, geoffloftus liked this post
smerfylicious no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old July 26th, 2019, 08:23 AM   #284
araman0
Purdue U. / Marquette U.
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,181
Likes (Received): 804

Despite the compact looking map, that Intracorp site is a full mile walk from the station, probably on the outer limits of the walk shed. Plenty of connecting buses go by though.
__________________
"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi
araman0 está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2019, 02:13 AM   #285
cadre
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,429
Likes (Received): 910

Metro will hopefully expand the VIA program to Northgate. It appears to be working well in the Southend.
cadre no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2019, 05:30 AM   #286
mhays
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 15,467
Likes (Received): 3771

How many people are handicapped or elderly though?
__________________

Capitol Hill liked this post
mhays está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2019, 06:13 AM   #287
cadre
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,429
Likes (Received): 910

I think you’re confusing VIA with some other program. https://kingcounty.gov/depts/transpo...o-transit.aspx
cadre no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 27th, 2019, 06:38 AM   #288
Capitol Hill
Registered User
 
Capitol Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 12,773
Likes (Received): 6586

Quote:
Originally Posted by mhays View Post
How many people are handicapped or elderly though?
Access is the program you’re thinking of.
Capitol Hill no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old July 29th, 2019, 11:13 PM   #289
Matt the Engineer
Registered User
 
Matt the Engineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Seattle
Posts: 5,078
Likes (Received): 2561

Quote:
Originally Posted by mhays View Post
How many people are handicapped or elderly though?
Most of them, eventually.
__________________
Matt the Engineer no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2019, 07:15 AM   #290
mSeattle
Registered User
 
mSeattle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,187
Likes (Received): 1024

I searched this thread but didn't see this article posted. This is from 2018.

Let's Not Screw Up Northgate, Too: The Redevelopment of Seattle's Oldest Mall Is a Chance to Get Things Right
by David Cole • Mar 29, 2018 at 9:30 am

https://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...t-things-right

Growing up as a mall rat in 1980s suburbia—long before I had formally studied architecture or explored any major cities—the big regional mall was the closest thing to a grand civic space my friends and I had yet experienced. When the American “inner city” was still perceived as a cesspool of crime and dysfunction by "Middle America," the local suburban mall was the place to see and be seen. Once you found a parking spot and made it inside, it was about the only pedestrian-scaled environment we had access to.

The enclosed marketplace traces its roots thousands of years back to the Greek agora and the Middle Eastern souk. We have our own version of it at Pike Place. In contrast to those precedents, the suburban mall was on the urban periphery, and designed for easy freeway access. (Downtown malls like Pacific Place essentially replicate the suburban shopping experience within an urban setting, with mixed success.) But the automobile-oriented suburban malls of the postwar era are a dying breed, soon to be replaced by Amazon-branded drones and God-knows what else.

Seattle’s Northgate Mall, built in 1950, is one of the oldest enclosed shopping malls in the United States. Northgate’s retailers have seen flagging revenue in recent years and the mall’s owner, Simon Property Group, has read the tea leaves and recently proposed a “a complete re-imagining of Northgate.” The idea currently on the table would halve the amount of retail space while adding up to 750,000 square feet of office space, a hotel, and several hundred units of housing.

More specific plans for the site haven’t yet been disclosed, but if recent developments around the mall’s periphery are any indication, we can expect a small collection of buildings topping out at five or six stories each, with housing or offices above a retail podium and lots of parking under the new buildings or tucked away toward the rear. Think Redmond Town Center or The Landing in Renton.

More: https://www.thestranger.com/slog/201...t-things-right

Last edited by mSeattle; August 24th, 2019 at 07:52 AM.
mSeattle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2019, 08:01 AM   #291
mSeattle
Registered User
 
mSeattle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,187
Likes (Received): 1024

I would love it if there were minimum height limits at the redevelopment site:
  • Minimum 80-90 feet tall
  • Some method to incentivize (financial/zoning) taller construction
mSeattle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2019, 10:03 AM   #292
BoulderGrad
Registered User
 
BoulderGrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 6,501
Likes (Received): 2080

Quote:
More specific plans for the site haven’t yet been disclosed, but if recent developments around the mall’s periphery are any indication, we can expect a small collection of buildings topping out at five or six stories each, with housing or offices above a retail podium and lots of parking under the new buildings or tucked away toward the rear. Think Redmond Town Center or The Landing in Renton.
Even better... We're getting Dallas Donuts!
__________________
My safety word is "Keep Going."
BoulderGrad está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2019, 06:39 PM   #293
mhays
Journeyman
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 15,467
Likes (Received): 3771

The author is right...it would be great to get thousands of housing units at Northgate. Several thousand. Only highrises would do that. The 953 planned housing units and 400 hotel rooms will be pretty lightweight for off-hours activity and won't take advantage of transit proximity as a potential large residential node.

Even lowrise developments can be quite a bit denser. Esterra Park will total 2,600 lowrise units plus an office building and hotel on 28 acres. The rebuilt portion of Northgate will be half again that large, with 953 housing units (of course way more other stuff).

The mall owners seem to be kowtowing to the nimbys rather than trying to maximize development. And I don't get why they're planning Dallas doughnuts in a city where the value lost tends to be less than the cost saved, and where they have huge sites that make below-grade work cheaper.
__________________

iogeon, mSeattle liked this post
mhays está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old August 24th, 2019, 08:27 PM   #294
mSeattle
Registered User
 
mSeattle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,187
Likes (Received): 1024

Shouldn't the city have a say in this too?
mSeattle no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2019, 12:09 AM   #295
smerfylicious
Registered User
 
smerfylicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Mill Creek
Posts: 2,147
Likes (Received): 2771

Quote:
Originally Posted by mSeattle View Post
Shouldn't the city have a say in this too?


Why would a governmental body have input to tell a private company what they must do with their private property?
smerfylicious no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2019, 12:58 AM   #296
Capitol Hill
Registered User
 
Capitol Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 12,773
Likes (Received): 6586

Well, zoning is telling a private property owner what is allowed.
__________________

cadre, -Corey-, jirgens liked this post
Capitol Hill no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2019, 01:07 AM   #297
BoulderGrad
Registered User
 
BoulderGrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 6,501
Likes (Received): 2080

Quote:
Originally Posted by smerfylicious View Post
Why would a governmental body have input to tell a private company what they must do with their private property?
Heh...

__________________
My safety word is "Keep Going."

Doomgoggles liked this post
BoulderGrad está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2019, 01:26 AM   #298
smerfylicious
Registered User
 
smerfylicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Mill Creek
Posts: 2,147
Likes (Received): 2771

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capitol Hill View Post
Well, zoning is telling a private property owner what is allowed.


Sure, and when a developer is looking to build something or redevelop something, they do a risk-analysis that factors in the zoning.

They'll build what pencils out for them, or what they feel confident in penciling out. This is what they chose. If we mandated high rises, we likely would be looking at Northgate Mall staying there for a long time until something like that made financial sense.
smerfylicious no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2019, 03:11 AM   #299
Capitol Hill
Registered User
 
Capitol Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 12,773
Likes (Received): 6586

Honest question, how is Vancouver, with an MSA less than Seattle, able to develop their shopping malls to high rise zones and we can’t seem to do it?
__________________

cadre liked this post
Capitol Hill no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old August 25th, 2019, 03:46 AM   #300
BoulderGrad
Registered User
 
BoulderGrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 6,501
Likes (Received): 2080

Quote:
Originally Posted by Capitol Hill View Post
Honest question, how is Vancouver, with an MSA less than Seattle, able to develop their shopping malls to high rise zones and we can’t seem to do it?
Medicare for all
__________________
My safety word is "Keep Going."

mSeattle, cadre liked this post
BoulderGrad está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 


Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Revitalization in Your Cities DocentX Urban Renewal and Redevelopment 4556 Yesterday 10:55 AM
Principal Place | Shoreditch | 161m, 67m | 51, 17 fl london lad Completed projects 1420 September 19th, 2019 11:27 AM
Northgate Development | Chester | Retail/Leisure | £300m | Proposed pjmulholland Liverpool Metro Area 164 September 4th, 2019 11:37 AM
ANTWERPEN | EILANDJE | London Tower | 76.6m | 2010 Joba Antwerpen 718 February 16th, 2014 08:28 PM
Hammerson buys Northgate site. Jonny 5 London Metro Area 13 August 8th, 2005 10:34 AM


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:51 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us