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Old August 15th, 2017, 07:46 PM   #2261
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The problem is that this stadium is far too large for Dynamo Kiev. Only the match against Shaktar Donetsk will take the attendance to over 50,000. The rest of the season the stadium is filled with roughly 10,000 in attendance. Dynamo Kiev should move out the Olympic stadium and only play big matches vs Shakhtar and the Champions league in the Olympic stadium while the rest can be played in a much smaller stadium.
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Old August 16th, 2017, 05:18 PM   #2262
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Weren't they planning to redevelop the Lobanovsky stadium a few years ago?
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Old September 10th, 2017, 03:15 AM   #2263
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this is the venue for the ucl final for this season right?

the renovation of this stadium is amazing, it used to be the tipical ugly and scary soviet construction, and now is one og the pretiest stadiums in europe
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Old September 14th, 2017, 10:05 AM   #2265
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It looks incredible and would be even more so if the redesigned it without the track.
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Old January 26th, 2018, 06:13 PM   #2266
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Old January 26th, 2018, 06:48 PM   #2267
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The Champions League final is 4 months, 120 days away.
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Old January 30th, 2018, 03:03 PM   #2268
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May the Olympic Stadium has a nice architecture but I cannot understand the decision to place the most important continental club final in a stadium with an athletic track.
It's a shame especially for all the fans which have to travel thousands of miles to reach Kiwv and face the stands behind the goals with a partial obstructed view.
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Old February 2nd, 2018, 12:37 AM   #2269
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^ there are very few jumbo size stadiums in Europe that do not have a running track, so unless you want ro keep the final played on the same few stadiums in London, Madrid, Barcelona, Milan and arguably Paris, you're going to either accept considerably smaller stadiums or, better, accept athletics stadiums as well.

As a side note, I don't think there is any obstructed view in this particular stadium.
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Old February 2nd, 2018, 11:43 PM   #2270
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Don't forget Munich and Cardiff.
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Old February 3rd, 2018, 02:36 PM   #2271
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Not to mention the gorgeous (IMHO) 80K+ refurbished/new Luzhniki which no longer has an athletics track!
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^ there are very few jumbo size stadiums in Europe that do not have a running track, so unless you want ro keep the final played on the same few stadiums in London, Madrid, Barcelona, Milan and arguably Paris, you're going to either accept considerably smaller stadiums or, better, accept athletics stadiums as well.

As a side note, I don't think there is any obstructed view in this particular stadium.
Unfortunately, there are such places. I've been there few times, even in VIP section. So the player bench, first aid squad and media are blocking the view on pitch. Fans from first 4-5 rows are standing immediately when the action is getting further, so the next 5-10 rows are standing either. In sold out games it is something very common. The other problem is that sectors are very wide, so the people who are late need to get through 40-50 seats while blocking the wiev for other fans.
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Don't forget Munich and Cardiff.
From what I read after the Champions League final UEFA didn't like how Cardiff performed as a host city and they won't be sending any other big events there in the future, despite the stadium being as great as it is. The Allianz Arena is a fair bit smaller than the ones I mentioned but now that I write I seem to remember it's going to get a capacity increase, I need to check out if it's true and how much of an increase...

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Unfortunately, there are such places. I've been there few times, even in VIP section. So the player bench, first aid squad and media are blocking the view on pitch. Fans from first 4-5 rows are standing immediately when the action is getting further, so the next 5-10 rows are standing either. In sold out games it is something very common. The other problem is that sectors are very wide, so the people who are late need to get through 40-50 seats while blocking the wiev for other fans.
I think these are inherent to any stadiums with the first rows going down to the pitch level (or lower, like at certain stadiums such as the Etihad Stadium). Many people here seem to like it like that, whenever there's a stadium with the first row that's elevated from the pitch level (like in Amsterdam, Bucharest, etc) there is strong criticism. Myself I too can't understand the appeal of very low height seats, but I always seem to be in the minority here when we debate this.
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Old February 11th, 2018, 02:49 PM   #2274
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The Allianz Arena is a fair bit smaller than the ones I mentioned but now that I write I seem to remember it's going to get a capacity increase, I need to check out if it's true and how much of an increase...
After the capacity increases I think the Allianz Arena will/can not grow anymore without serious construction measures. So 70,000 seats it is there and that is big enough imho for a CL-final. Especially since Kiev is the same size, but with an athletics track.
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^ there are very few jumbo size stadiums in Europe that do not have a running track, so unless you want ro keep the final played on the same few stadiums in London, Madrid, Barcelona, Milan and arguably Paris, you're going to either accept considerably smaller stadiums or, better, accept athletics stadiums as well.

As a side note, I don't think there is any obstructed view in this particular stadium.
Remember that UEFA took a final to Lisbon, which is sub-70,000k, so anything above 60,000 seems doable.

But you still have these stadiums over 70k without running tracks:

Camp Nou
Wembley
Stade de France
Bernabeu
Luzhniki
San Siro
Old Trafford
Allianz
Millennium stadium
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From what I read after the Champions League final UEFA didn't like how Cardiff performed as a host city and they won't be sending any other big events there in the future, despite the stadium being as great as it is. The Allianz Arena is a fair bit smaller than the ones I mentioned but now that I write I seem to remember it's going to get a capacity increase, I need to check out if it's true and how much of an increase...



I think these are inherent to any stadiums with the first rows going down to the pitch level (or lower, like at certain stadiums such as the Etihad Stadium). Many people here seem to like it like that, whenever there's a stadium with the first row that's elevated from the pitch level (like in Amsterdam, Bucharest, etc) there is strong criticism. Myself I too can't understand the appeal of very low height seats, but I always seem to be in the minority here when we debate this.
I can remember the discussions of the first years of the (then) Amsterdam Arena. For big games we where used to distances in the Olympisch Stadion, but at home in De Meer supporters where right with their noses on the pitch. Keep in mind that the Arena was designed right after the 'Staafincident' and distances seamed a very good idea at the time.
The first years everybody was complaining. Too far away, crappy atmosphere. Then after Euro2000 scaffolding was placed and now 22 years after opening, the moat is almost closed with concrete stands.

What you hear now? That criticism had stopped completely. It surely still has it's flaws, but those extra 5 rows have gone a long way.

But not only in Amsterdam. All across NL those stadiums which where build in the '90s and '00s (a lot) are closing up the moat, have done it or have plans. All supporters have the same complaints.

Conclusion from the Johan Cruijff Arena and others in NL: high first rows are not bringing atmosphere in, it is ugly on tv and are rubbish for views.
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Well Croke Park doesn´t have a running track either but is unlikely to ret rented out to association football.
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I can remember the discussions of the first years of the (then) Amsterdam Arena. For big games we where used to distances in the Olympisch Stadion, but at home in De Meer supporters where right with their noses on the pitch. Keep in mind that the Arena was designed right after the 'Staafincident' and distances seamed a very good idea at the time.
The first years everybody was complaining. Too far away, crappy atmosphere. Then after Euro2000 scaffolding was placed and now 22 years after opening, the moat is almost closed with concrete stands.

What you hear now? That criticism had stopped completely. It surely still has it's flaws, but those extra 5 rows have gone a long way.

But not only in Amsterdam. All across NL those stadiums which where build in the '90s and '00s (a lot) are closing up the moat, have done it or have plans. All supporters have the same complaints.

Conclusion from the Johan Cruijff Arena and others in NL: high first rows are not bringing atmosphere in, it is ugly on tv and are rubbish for views.
I don't think the issue is the high first rows, it's the distance to the pitch. I don't like extremely high first rows, but I do think a first row that is elevated by ~1m gives a better view than a first row that is on pitch level with the same distance.

The pitch in the Amsterdam Arena (and also in Zwolle and Almelo) wasn't lowered, they just created extra rows in between the raised first row and the pitch level. That doesn't change existing spectator views. It does look much better though.

In my opinion the first row at for instance Deportivo Alaves' stadium is good. It's close to the sidelines and goals and even on the first row you have a good overview of the whole pitch. It also looks good on tv. C-values might be a bit on the low side, but it's always a trade-off between proximity and C-value.

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Remember that UEFA took a final to Lisbon, which is sub-70,000k, so anything above 60,000 seems doable.
Yes, and I approve of this policy of making compromises in order to bring the CL final to places with slightly smaller stadiums or to places with large athletics stadiums. It would be nice to have 80k+ football specific stadiums dotted all over the continent, but it's not going to happen.

The Allianz Arena was under 70k as well when it hosted, btw. The definitive capacity will be 75k domestically but, I didn't realize this, for all seated capacity will remain slightly under 70k, at 69334.

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I don't like extremely high first rows, but I do think a first row that is elevated by ~1m gives a better view than a first row that is on pitch level with the same distance.
Agreed.
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