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Old June 20th, 2019, 07:53 PM   #14461
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CCU Bali should be on the cards. As per travel reports an average of 22K passengers travel to Bali from CCU alone. So a daily A320/321 departure should definitely be on the cards from Indigo or Vistara with CCU being a hub as it was in the past when the Air Asia Indonesia used to fly direct.
Air Asia had it and it did not work for them. I don't know though what were they smoking when they started flights to Johor Baharu.
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Old June 20th, 2019, 08:20 PM   #14462
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We never had the much discussed CCU KTM flight from Indigo. Should have happened.

I strongly feel Indigo should connect both Chittagang & Sylhet to CCU and onwards to Middle East/Far East.
I bet Buddha Air will fold up sooner or later. Do Bengalis travel in hordes to KTM like they used to do? When I was a child I used to see a lot of people travel to KTM and they used to be all excited about casinos in KTM. I think BKK is the new KTM for Bengalis.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 12:03 AM   #14463
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I bet Buddha Air will fold up sooner or later. Do Bengalis travel in hordes to KTM like they used to do? When I was a child I used to see a lot of people travel to KTM and they used to be all excited about casinos in KTM. I think BKK is the new KTM for Bengalis.
Its the other way round.. Institutions in Kathmandu had lot of ties to Kolkata... and people used to fly from KTM to CCU for business!! Now Kathmandu has grown enough on its own. So it should be mostly leisure traffic now!! (Royal) Nepal Airlines used to fly between KTM and CCU in the past..
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I bet Buddha Air will fold up sooner or later. Do Bengalis travel in hordes to KTM like they used to do? When I was a child I used to see a lot of people travel to KTM and they used to be all excited about casinos in KTM. I think BKK is the new KTM for Bengalis.
Very true - my 1st flight to KTM was in A300. It was indeed a favorite holiday destination for Bongs. My subsequent travels have all been official - there is commercial traffic to KTM from CCU - Kolkata port is still the mainstay for Nepal imports and lot of Indian companies do operate out of Kolkata regional office for Nepal.

Over the years Nepal lost out mainly due to Political problems , natural disasters and as rightly mentioned to BKK.

I would personally like Buddha Air to continue - this airlines is fast expanding to other Indian cities like Varanasi & Guwahati. Does not look like(at least at this moment) it is going to wind up.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 06:12 AM   #14465
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Air Asia had it and it did not work for them. I don't know though what were they smoking when they started flights to Johor Baharu.
Johor Baharu came from the moon - it was destined not to happen. However, Air Asia gave up too early on Bali.

With Air Asia India planning to fly overseas in the coming days it is possible exploring Phuket if not Bali.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 07:16 AM   #14466
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I am expecting more foreign flights out of Kolkata resulting from the redistribution of Jets International flying rights to other carriers.
As an example: Air India is probably using the allotted seats to Dubai on high yield CCU-DXB route instead of focussing only on DEL and MUM.

About half of Jet’s rights had already been given to state-owned Air India, which got about 5,700 weekly seats on the India-Dubai route, over 5,000 on the India-Qatar route as well as about 4,600 additional seats to and from London

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...utm_content=23

It will be interesting to see how many of the routes are operated from CCU.

Destinations awarded by airlines:

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com...le28088388.ece

Vistara gets nod to fly to Bangkok, Singapore & Dubai
Vistara will start its international operations in September-October. The airline has been given permission to operate 28 weekly flights, including a daily service from India to Bangkok and Dubai and 14 services a week from India to Singapore. IndiGo has been allowed to operate 84 additional international flights a week and is likely to launch additional flights linking Bangkok, Dubai, Doha, Dhaka and Kuwait.

SpiceJet is said to have been allowed to operate an additional 77 weekly international flights while GoAir is said to have been allowed to operate over 30 more weekly international flights.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 07:49 AM   #14467
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I am expecting more foreign flights out of Kolkata resulting from the redistribution of Jets International flying rights to other carriers.
As an example: Air India is probably using the allotted seats to Dubai on high yield CCU-DXB route instead of focussing only on DEL and MUM.

About half of Jet’s rights had already been given to state-owned Air India, which got about 5,700 weekly seats on the India-Dubai route, over 5,000 on the India-Qatar route as well as about 4,600 additional seats to and from London

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Leaving aside the argument on AI’s route decisions, AI has already dumped a Dreamliner daily on BOM/ DEL- DXB.

IMO, a lion’s share of DXB flights will go to BOM depending on slot availability followed by DEL. The yields are abnormally high in BOM and DEL due to seat restrictions.

CCU may get some flights to Dhaka and Bangkok from LCCs.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 08:29 AM   #14468
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Air Asia had it and it did not work for them. I don't know though what were they smoking when they started flights to Johor Baharu.
the cancellation of the Denpasar flight was no one's fault to be honest. The series of frights regarding the volcano destroyed any hopes of making the flight successful.

I took that flight en route to Denpasar(returned on thai,so can't talk about the return load) on 4th october 2017, and the flight was almost full and barely 20 percent disembarked in KL.

It's just the volcano that caused the problem, and in hindsight, has reduced Bali's tourism by a significant margin recently.

As for Johor Bahru, they messed up by not promoting the Singapore proximity properly, nor did they really promote that famous amusement park there. The flight could have been a hit with a 2 or 3 weekly frequency. but daily was never going to work, especially since anyone having to avail the former kind of travel would require a double visa and eNTRI wasn't available then.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 09:02 AM   #14469
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Looks like some members feel bad if someone thinks good about CCU..Let MUM/DEL prosper. No issues. But there is no reason to put CCU down and that too on a CCU Airport thread...

Note CCU gets significantly less investment/support from government than BOM due to historical government apathy..If CCU prospers country and the Eastern region as a whole prospers at the end of the day...So be happy if CCU gets some flights even if there are low yields....Supply often creates demand and not always the other way round...
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Old June 21st, 2019, 09:29 AM   #14470
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The flight could have been a hit with a 2 or 3 weekly frequency. but daily was never going to work, especially since anyone having to avail the former kind of travel would require a double visa and eNTRI wasn't available then.
eNTRI/online visa was very much available while the flights to JB was launched
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Old June 21st, 2019, 09:31 AM   #14471
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Kolkata | Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose International Airport | CCU

There is nothing to put down. I have supported many other flights from CCU to the east.

Anyway, that is my opinion as you have yours. Nothing wrong about it. Sometimes one has to be more realistic.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 10:25 AM   #14472
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For all you know Ho Chi Minh City may not be from CCU and instead from some other Indian city. A totally unexplored market these many flights may actually be an overkill.
Whichever city it is there is strong potential for trade and business activities between the 2 countries as highlighted by Indian Government in the last few years

President Ram Nath Kovind in 2018 mentioned that he believes the bilateral trade volume will reach $15 billion by 2020, up from $12.8 billion last year.

So maybe there is potential for traffic based on economic activities in addition to tourism which...

Reference documents:
https://www.rsis.edu.sg/wp-content/u...nd-Vietnam.pdf

https://www.livemint.com/Politics/3h...operation.html
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Old June 21st, 2019, 01:56 PM   #14473
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For all you know Ho Chi Minh City may not be from CCU and instead from some other Indian city. A totally unexplored market these many flights may actually be an overkill.
Yea that is better. IMO Indigo can start Phuket/Bali/Guangzhou/Shanghai from kolkata by end of the year.
But again Daily flights to this destination may not be good option. 3-4 flights in a week may be justify this routes.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 01:59 PM   #14474
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We never had the much discussed CCU KTM flight from Indigo. Should have happened.

I strongly feel Indigo should connect both Chittagang & Sylhet to CCU and onwards to Middle East/Far East.
Bagdogra Should be connected to Dhaka & Kathmandu now.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 10:28 PM   #14475
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AI commences 4 weekly Dubai-Kolkata from 15JUL. Bookings open.
But there is no such flight showing on Air India Official Website and Flight Booking Window. I checked till end of August. Has it been confirmed in their Summer schedule ??
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 05:48 AM   #14476
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But there is no such flight showing on Air India Official Website and Flight Booking Window. I checked till end of August. Has it been confirmed in their Summer schedule ??
It is available for booking from Cleartrip.All the way upto Oct end.
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 08:26 AM   #14477
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eNTRI/online visa was very much available while the flights to JB was launched
If i remember right, wasn't eNTRI for Indians available from Jan 2018?
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 09:25 AM   #14478
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CCU-HKG is 2647 kms, CCU-MNL is 3540 kms.
You don't even have to know the distance, a simple glance at a map will tell you the difference.
That's why I have to "estimate" the timings as I am aware the two pairs are quite far from each other (even though HKG-MNL is roughly 1hr 45min to 2hr 15min away by plane). Not to mention, I have to account for headwinds and tailwinds, potential delays at both airports, aircraft weight, and other mitigating factors. Hence my original estimates were off by 30 minutes, in which I gladly adjusted them by an additional 30 to 45 minutes to be more realistic.

Maybe if you were to schedule a potential CCU-MNL resumption, how'd you do it? Just provide your duration estimate and I will device a simulated schedule.
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/stor...380-2019-06-20

"We, today, launched direct Indigo flights between Kolkata and Hanoi, that will be starting from October 3, this year. We have also launched an online platform for Indian travellers to apply for a visa on arrival," the envoy told ANI here on Wednesday."

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Old June 22nd, 2019, 05:22 PM   #14480
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Very true - my 1st flight to KTM was in A300. It was indeed a favorite holiday destination for Bongs. My subsequent travels have all been official - there is commercial traffic to KTM from CCU - Kolkata port is still the mainstay for Nepal imports and lot of Indian companies do operate out of Kolkata regional office for Nepal.

Over the years Nepal lost out mainly due to Political problems , natural disasters and as rightly mentioned to BKK.

I would personally like Buddha Air to continue - this airlines is fast expanding to other Indian cities like Varanasi & Guwahati. Does not look like(at least at this moment) it is going to wind up.
I don't want them to fold up, but that'll happen eventually. I bet they don't have deep pockets to run a capital intensive business over the long run. It's rince and repeat for all these itty bitty airline companies.
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