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Old July 10th, 2008, 11:31 AM   #101
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sa subcontractam ce...?
Daca banii "nu sint o problema" ... sa subcontractam administratia incompetenta ... in UK/USA sint firme private care fac administratie ... ba chiar si in NHS (UK National Health Service) s-a inceput subcontractarea la privati ... exemplu: de ce sa astepte pacientu' 1000 ani pentru o operatie?! "Time is money" ... pentru ca banii nu sint o problema (ca si la noi), se subcontracteaza la firma/spital privat si i se face operatia in 2 luni ... la fel se poate face cu orice altceva ... administratie, infrastructura etc
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Old July 10th, 2008, 03:55 PM   #102
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Le clerk a pus punctul pe i cu procedurile, asta e marea nenorocire ca trebuiesc respectate niste etape si daca depune unu o contestatie la cnsc (cons nat de solutionare a contestatiilor) ea trebuie analizata si iar se pierde niste timp...daca se mai si admite contestatia tot circul trebuie reluat...
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Old July 10th, 2008, 04:18 PM   #103
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corect ... insa in RO e un talmes balmes ... nimic nu se respecta. Cel mai bun exemplu este Cathedral Plaza ... ajungi la etajul 20 si apoi iti opresc desteptii lucrarile?!?! Si apoi iti pui intrebarea: da' cum s-a dat drumul la lucrare, atunci?!?! Pai nu cumva e vina noastra si a legisltiei in care se complac baietii de la conducere ... pai ne cam dam singuri cu tesla'n ...
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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:09 PM   #104
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PS: an interesting analysis should be how many km has Romania committed to build until 2015, and multiply them by the current average cost per km. Then we are able to get the rough amount of investment Romania should commit every year.
It is not of real importance how many km of motorway Romania committed to build until 2015, as we are certainly not in the position to meet our comittments.

And indicators like average cost per km are good enough for statistics but have only a limited practical use.

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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:12 PM   #105
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Daca banii "nu sint o problema" ... sa subcontractam administratia incompetenta ... in UK/USA sint firme private care fac administratie ... ba chiar si in NHS (UK National Health Service) s-a inceput subcontractarea la privati ... exemplu: de ce sa astepte pacientu' 1000 ani pentru o operatie?! "Time is money" ... pentru ca banii nu sint o problema (ca si la noi), se subcontracteaza la firma/spital privat si i se face operatia in 2 luni ... la fel se poate face cu orice altceva ... administratie, infrastructura etc
Atunci cand e vorba de bani niciodata nu poti spune ca ai suficient. Necesarul estimat de investitii in infrastructura depaseste, intr-adevar, cu mult resursele disponibile. Daca nu esti insa capabil sa cheltuiesti nici macar banii pe care ii ai atunci e clar ca prima ta problema e altundeva...
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Old July 10th, 2008, 07:16 PM   #106
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It is not of real importance how many km of motorway Romania committed to build until 2015, but we are certainly not in the position to meet our comittments.

And indicators like average cost per km are good enough for statistics but have only a limited practical use.
If we leave from the premises that it is not of real importance how many km of motorway Romania committed to build until 2015, then we might as well expect Romania to build only another 100 km by that date. It means that everything is a bad joke, from governmental programmes to political commitments.

The indicator of cost per km and the budgets Romania should allocate yearly is indeed for statistical purposes, but it also serves the scope of comparing the commitments to actual achievements. If we say that we will spend 2 billion/year, on an average, for motorways, and, at the end of 2015 cycle or earlier, we spend only 1.5 billion/year on the average, then we have a problem. Much like with the expenditure budgets. Excedents are bad, deficits are bad as well. Incapacity to spend means incapacity to manage.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:28 PM   #107
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Hey, I'm the optimistic guy, remember...?

On the other side, political commitments and governmental programmes usually sound, unfortunalety, like bad jokes.

I'll try to elaborate a little bit tommorow on what large motorway construction programmes are really about, beyond political commitments and official statements...
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Old July 10th, 2008, 08:53 PM   #108
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what about that amount of money we got for BCR ? it was supposed to be used on infrastructure projects....2 bil I think
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Old July 11th, 2008, 10:36 AM   #109
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Hey, I'm the optimistic guy, remember...?
OK, but you do not sound like one.

I have a curiosity. Can you give your optimistic scenario and your pessimistic scenario as to the motorways (sections of motorways) completed by 2015 (I understand this is the first cycle of motorway construction) or actual completion years for particular sections, having regard to the existing motorway construction programmes and the current progress and procurement procedures? Thanks.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 11:48 AM   #110
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One thing is for sure: by 2015 Black-Sea-Hungary will be connected via motorway. That's about it ... all the rest will be U/C or even feasibility/tender stages ... also, maybe some by-passes will be operational ...
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I agree to that +

Arad-Sibiu completed.
Pitesti-Valcea completed. I doubt about the Olt valley motorway (Valcea-Sibiu) being completed until that moment.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 01:34 PM   #112
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I agree to that +

Arad-Sibiu completed.
Pitesti-Valcea completed. I doubt about the Olt valley motorway (Valcea-Sibiu) being completed until that moment.
THAT should be more than (or~) 1000km ... so I'd be more than happy to have THAT finished. At least the country could be crossed much much faster ... so loads of +++++s for tourism, transport, FDI etc etc
btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Romania
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THAT should be more than (or~) 1000km ... so I'd be more than happy to have THAT finished. At least the country could be crossed much much faster ... so loads of +++++s for tourism, transport, FDI etc etc
btw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_in_Romania
Indeed, that means about 150 km/year. Quite a performance for whoever achieves it. Let's see what Rhemaxos thinks about our optimistic scenarious.
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..come on..by that time some good chunks of A3 motorway should be finished..
I just checked their website and the June pics look promising..

Below..One of them..

http://www.autostradatransilvania.ro...-km-7-570.html
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Old July 12th, 2008, 03:25 PM   #116
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I know..I know..They are really "pushing"..
Shall I understand that you were referring(with 150km/year) to any other project but Transilvania motorway ?.
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Old July 12th, 2008, 03:57 PM   #117
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Together with TM ~1000Km

BTW http://www.mt.ro/autostrazi2007-2013...are_tabele.pdf
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Old July 12th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #118
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I find it hard to believe that Curtea de Arges - Sibiu will be ready by 2013..That's a "heck" of a project.

Few observations though..

By 2013..I think it should be already in place a project for
Tulcea -expressway-Braila/Galati- motorway -Buzau or straight Urziceni-Bucharest.. or at least a motorway section in between BR/GL and Buzau..

Also by that time Iasi - Bacau - Brasov - Pitesti should "get" an "expressway look upgrade (I mean BC-BV-AG cos IS-BC has plans)

It will probably make sense for Focsani - Buzau - Ploiesti motorway to be continued with an expressway level road to Targaviste even to Pitesti making a junction with Craiova expressway
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Old July 13th, 2008, 10:13 AM   #119
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So how many kilometers of motorways do we have on paper? 50,000? Let's draw some more!!!

Vin io cu cariocile!
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Old July 13th, 2008, 12:04 PM   #120
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i see on the mt.ro web that there is a finished motorway from Bucharest to Giurgiu. Is that true?? I didnt know about a Bucharest - Giurgiu motorway even was even planed.....
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