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Old April 17th, 2019, 04:15 AM   #1341
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From an economic point of view, this must be one of the oddest projects in the world.. No net gain in floor space for a billion dollar plus privately funded project. This projects exists in one of the most individual economic circumstances in the world. That the CIty of Sydney was unwilling to bend their ridiculous morning Solar Access Plane into Macquarie Park and allow a new tower on Loftus St, leading to this ridiculous FSR swap and wasteful construction... Madness. City of Sydney is the *definition* of champagne socialists. They are too rich, and have too much control over *our* CBD, for a Sydney of 5 million people, not their 250,000 inner city residents.
Had to be done...insanely low effort but here it is:

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Old April 17th, 2019, 10:16 AM   #1342
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From an economic point of view, this must be one of the oddest projects in the world.. No net gain in floor space for a billion dollar plus privately funded project. This projects exists in one of the most individual economic circumstances in the world. That the CIty of Sydney was unwilling to bend their ridiculous morning Solar Access Plane into Macquarie Park and allow a new tower on Loftus St, leading to this ridiculous FSR swap and wasteful construction... Madness. City of Sydney is the *definition* of champagne socialists. They are too rich, and have too much control over *our* CBD, for a Sydney of 5 million people, not their 250,000 inner city residents.
please attend anger management classes then come back in a more neutral mood.
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Old April 17th, 2019, 12:25 PM   #1343
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From an economic point of view, this must be one of the oddest projects in the world..
For what it's worth, here is another project from across the world as a comparison- Tour First in Paris, renovated out of the former Tour AXA


https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_First
https://lumieresdelaville.net/parole...-julie-gimbal/
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Old April 17th, 2019, 12:33 PM   #1344
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Thanks for shitting all over a great thread with an "ugly building is changed into another ugly building" post
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Old April 17th, 2019, 12:40 PM   #1345
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No worries, just pointing out to SydneyWorks that renovating buildings completely to add floor space and a modern facade is not an odd thing across the world

And both Tour First and Tour AXA look great, as do the 1976 AMP Tower and Quay Quarter. Icons of their times
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Old April 17th, 2019, 01:02 PM   #1346
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At least it doesn't stick out for the wrong reasons like the old one did!
The old one blended in nicely, it made the skyline look orderly and structured.

Once again we have a monstrosity forming that is going to look like a wart on the city skyline-at its most viewed angle. What a shame to lose the old building.
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The old one blended in nicely, it made the skyline look orderly and structured.

Once again we have a monstrosity forming that is going to look like a wart on the city skyline-at its most viewed angle. What a shame to lose the old building.
This is getting to be a bit ridiculous - at least since that goddamn-awful podium was added to AMP Tower (if not before) it was a tarted-up monstrosity - in fact I personally don’t think the original building was a great example of international style (the AMP building below it, Sydney’s original skyscraper, is wonderful of course). 3XN’s new Quay Quarter on the other hand is going to be absolutely STUNNING! There is no doubt in my mind that this is going to be a HUGE improvement over the original! And just think of the added interaction with the city at street level with many nooks and crannies, whereas the old building was forbidding and kept the street out.... Can’t wait to see Quay Quarter emerge!
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Old April 18th, 2019, 01:58 AM   #1348
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No worries, just pointing out to SydneyWorks that renovating buildings completely to add floor space and a modern facade is not an odd thing across the world

And I think both Tour First and Tour AXA look great, as do the 1976 AMP Tower and Quay Quarter. Icons of their times


Thanks, that was useful/interesting info. I wonder if the Parisian authorities forced the developer to redevelop the building like that due to development restrictions?
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please attend anger management classes then come back in a more neutral mood.


As if that little rant deserves anger management.

You want to make an actual point, make it. Even if it’s “We’ve had this before, not interesting”. Otherwise keep your prissy comments about me to yourself.
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Old April 18th, 2019, 02:51 AM   #1350
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As if that little rant deserves anger management.

You want to make an actual point, make it. Even if it’s “We’ve had this before, not interesting”. Otherwise keep your prissy comments about me to yourself.
Didn't think you came across as angry at all, but just FYI the floor space of the building is about doubling with this project, it's like building another 40 storeys on top of what's there already. I read that it's going from about 45,000 square metres to about 90,000.
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Thanks, that was useful/interesting info. I wonder if the Parisian authorities forced the developer to redevelop the building like that due to development restrictions?
Sorry, I couldn't find much about it, but planning wise I think this was a different situation since the owners of the building don't seem to own adjacent lots, like AMP do.

What I meant to say was that the engineering challenge of adding a new design onto an existing skyscraper has been weighed up before, so it still seems a sensible decision, even if AMP were pushed to do so by Council.

In a perfect world though, I wish they could have built this beauty next door and kept the classic 1976 tower
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Old April 19th, 2019, 04:54 AM   #1352
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Thanks, that was useful/interesting info. I wonder if the Parisian authorities forced the developer to redevelop the building like that due to development restrictions?
Probably. There has been a movement in Paris towards greater restrictions on development in the historic city, though I note La Defense is outside this area.

In response to one of your earlier posts regarding solar access and no net gain in floorspace:
1. I think it is important that all levels of government preserve solar access into our most important public and open spaces. I understand that AMP's specific proposals would have impacted solar access into the Royal Botanic Gardens. I support moves to limit the impact of development on solar access to such a location.
2. No net gain in floorspace - I'm not sure what you meant by that? The tower is doubling in FSA...and I doubt a publicly listed company like AMP would ever take on such an ambitious rebuild if it wasn't good for their bottom line?
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A few years ago (this project has a long history), I asked AMP Capital why it was not demolishing the 50 Bridge St tower. The reply was environmental impact and cost. While there is some truth in this, the fundamental reason was surely to preserve the shadow cast over the Royal Botanic Garden. The new building will not add to the shadows over the Garden. If the tower had been demolished, the new building could not have been as high.

In my opinion, the Royal Botanic Garden Trust is hypocritical about shadow impacts. It vigorously objects to additional overshadowing while proceeding to trash the heritage values of the Gardens whenever there is a financial gain to be had by doing so, on the excuse that the proceeds will be applied to botanical research.
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