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JulianF · October 16th, 2019, 05:30 PM

Yes I did a fascinating behind the scenes tour of Fed Square during Melbourne Open House weekend back in July. Got to walk across the roof which was awesome but also went through some of the air-con ducts and service corridors underneath it which run right along those foundations just above the rail lines - in places you could look through gaps to the trains.

I would think the area at Central is a lot wider but they could probably do all sorts of stuff with the flying junctions and connect right across if they really wanted to. Enormous scope. But I imagine it all comes at a cost of making rail maintenance harder and more expensive since you are effectively moving all that track into tunnel.

pintpot · October 16th, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by zoomwhoosh

Yeah its all high level but I still don't get what they have in mind over the actual rail lines.

In a way it would be nice to see them develop over the rail lines because it would make it next to impossible to develop Central for HSR. But I still can't imagine how they would do this in a practical sense.. what would physically support it. How would it look? What about light?

No plan at present (some competing UPs in the mix)

You could build over the country platforms quite easily (the third road between the platforms can go) but heritage impact hard to manage. Building over Sydney Yard harder technically but I’m glad it’s allowed for - this would make more difference to connectivity and be more likely to be an attractive addition, not just a tower over the tracks

snowboard99 · October 16th, 2019, 11:50 PM

More detail in the Sydney CBD forum:

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Originally Posted by jammi

Site overview -

Most exciting thing to me is the prospect of bridging right over the southern end of Central.

Hopefully Railway Sq gets a makeover out of all of this as well.

Inego · October 17th, 2019, 02:13 AM

Does any other city in the world build like that over their railways?

Inego · October 17th, 2019, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Inego

Does any other city in the world build like that over their railways?

And what's the penalty on this page for trolling :P

I think it's a great opportunity, but it needs to be well done to ensure some variety for a large scale development. Hudson Yards is actually pretty good.

zoomwhoosh · October 17th, 2019, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pintpot

No plan at present (some competing UPs in the mix)

You could build over the country platforms quite easily (the third road between the platforms can go) but heritage impact hard to manage. Building over Sydney Yard harder technically but I’m glad it’s allowed for - this would make more difference to connectivity and be more likely to be an attractive addition, not just a tower over the tracks

Whatever you do will lock in the pattern of rail lines beneath.

Personally I don't feel there is a need for as many country platforms as there are so it would be an opportunity to rationalise the whole thing.

As I said I'm excited at the possibility that this planning will lock out the possibility of building a HSR terminus (2013 Study style).

prp002 · October 17th, 2019, 03:52 AM

All this needs to be in it's own thread. It has NOTHING to do with the SW metro

pintpot · October 17th, 2019, 05:13 AM

^Correct

zoomwhoosh · October 17th, 2019, 05:24 AM

Ernie Purni started it. We'll just have to shoot him.

prp002 · October 17th, 2019, 05:56 AM

Ernie Purni, Puddin’ and Pie,
Started a topic and made us cry
When we wanted to move the play
Ernie Purni ran away

ArtNouveau · October 17th, 2019, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zoomwhoosh

Whatever you do will lock in the pattern of rail lines beneath.

Personally I don't feel there is a need for as many country platforms as there are so it would be an opportunity to rationalise the whole thing.

As I said I'm excited at the possibility that this planning will lock out the possibility of building a HSR terminus (2013 Study style).

I dont think it locks it out completely.
One could always build a HSR terminus underneath Belmore park with an entrance at ST

zoomwhoosh · October 17th, 2019, 08:49 AM

Yeah.. nah

(Take it to the HSR thread.. happy to respond there)

Edit: I've replied in the HSR thread

Gimble · October 17th, 2019, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pintpot

Metro City & SW, fwiw, is way, way over budget. Would make your eyes bleed. And it's a large part of why Metro West is taking so long to scope. Not because they don't have any money (finance is a factor of course), but because they can't afford to get the budget so badly wrong again

It is indeed.

moz999 · October 18th, 2019, 01:53 PM

Mum Shirl at 6.79 within 30m of where Nancy had its breakthrough
Slowed down today, so id expect they are prepping for a breakthrough early next week - presumably on a different day to MetroWest announcement

The dot on Kathleen has started moving again.. at a guess they made a sneaky adjustment when it hit Blues Point as the dot stopped while the count progressed. Looks like under 100m to go, so last week in October at a guess

zoomwhoosh · October 18th, 2019, 01:57 PM

How long will it take to retrieve Kathleen, bring it back to Barangaroo and restart it?
I presume that Wendy will have finished its run before then.

zoomwhoosh · October 18th, 2019, 02:06 PM

How long has Mabel been resting?

moz999 · October 18th, 2019, 02:18 PM

Since about the 24th. It was 2wks behind Wendy which started moving last week, so on a similar schedule end of next week it will start moving.

***AtD*** · October 21st, 2019, 12:43 PM

From the mailing list:

Installation of two tower cranes - Barangaroo Station

From Monday 28 October 2019, work will start to install two tower cranes at the Barangaroo Station site. One crane
will be installed at the southern end of the site inside the station excavation area, while the other will be installed on
the surface near the main site entrance. Both cranes will be about 90 metres above ground level and will be used to
build the station structure, as well as retrieve the tunnel boring machines when they arrive at Barangaroo later
this year.
The cranes are expected to take about three weeks to install, weather and site conditions permitting, and will be in
place for the duration of station structure works.

BigBiggerBiggest · October 22nd, 2019, 01:49 AM

Was the plan to have the station that far to the north of Barrangaroo proper another way to provide transport links to the Pier(s) also? if not it should have been closer to the main buildings, say under the Wooden highrise structure...that would have been a nice touch.

Gimble · October 22nd, 2019, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBiggerBiggest

Was the plan to have the station that far to the north of Barrangaroo proper another way to provide transport links to the Pier(s) also? if not it should have been closer to the main buildings, say under the Wooden highrise structure...that would have been a nice touch.

The tunnels needed room to turn and hit Martin Place.

October 17th, 2019, 08:49 AM	#6592
zoomwhoosh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 10,771 Likes (Received): 1549	Yeah.. nah (Take it to the HSR thread.. happy to respond there) Edit: I've replied in the HSR thread Last edited by zoomwhoosh; October 18th, 2019 at 02:09 PM.

October 21st, 2019, 12:43 PM	#6598
*AtD* Bigger is better Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 6,061 Likes (Received): 3362	From the mailing list: Installation of two tower cranes - Barangaroo Station From Monday 28 October 2019, work will start to install two tower cranes at the Barangaroo Station site. One crane will be installed at the southern end of the site inside the station excavation area, while the other will be installed on the surface near the main site entrance. Both cranes will be about 90 metres above ground level and will be used to build the station structure, as well as retrieve the tunnel boring machines when they arrive at Barangaroo later this year. The cranes are expected to take about three weeks to install, weather and site conditions permitting, and will be in place for the duration of station structure works. __________________ How popular is public transport in Australian cities? https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showp...&postcount=703

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