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Old August 31st, 2009, 03:38 PM   #21
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uganda depends on kenya
so does kenya to some degree
but if uganda failed
kenya wouldn't necessarily fail
and vice cersa though it would take alot of adjustment on uganda's side to import through dar es salam
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Old September 30th, 2009, 08:19 PM   #22
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there not that much diffrence and anythings possible
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Old October 5th, 2009, 08:27 AM   #23
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hrrrm, excuse me but comparing Uganda to Kenya doesn´t make sense to me, at the same time you could ask if l Vienna will overtake London or Paris? No way.
Well I guess many Londoners or Parisians would gladly move to Vienna ... less criminality , less pollution and higher quality of life .

Well if kampala can be compared to Vienna guys i tell you be happy of what you are and stay as you are !!!
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Old November 29th, 2009, 04:05 PM   #24
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in my poinion kenya is the strongest but uganda is catching up so dont rule it ou so quickly they are in abou the same leage but kenya is the strongest. but now uganda has oil it will start to cathc up and fix the country from past problems with kenya and tanzania never had.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 05:25 PM   #25
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While Kenya and Uganda argues over the title, Ethiopia will silently pass Kenya within 4-5 years.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 05:48 PM   #26
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While Kenya and Uganda argues over the title, Ethiopia will silently pass Kenya within 4-5 years.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 06:54 PM   #27
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Old November 29th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #28
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While Kenya and Uganda argues over the title, Ethiopia will silently pass Kenya within 4-5 years.
yeah i think i will have to see that one. 4 to 5 yrs? i dont think so. its not impossible but in that time frame it is improbable. 4-5 yrs would require the kenyan economy at the very least to grind to a halt, and the ethiopian economy to grow even faster and maintain that. the chances of those two things happening at the same time are minimal.

good luck to ethiopians, a strong ethiopian economy would be great for east africa.

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Old November 30th, 2009, 10:41 PM   #29
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Uganda overtaking Kenya?? Oh dear, this forum is really a joke...
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 02:47 AM   #30
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I've never read a forum titled "Illinois to overtake Florida!" or "Denmark catching up to Finland!". The fact is the larger Kenya's economy grows the more Uganda will benefit and vice versa. These pissing contests are counter productive. It's the region, stupid! If Angola's economy doubles, countries as far away as Ethiopia will see some benefit as in the eyes of the outside world it's all AFRICA. Just as when something goes down in Texas, we all talk about Americans, when something good happens in one African country, it happens to all of us. Forigners are nervous to invest in Africa, not Kenya are Ghana. I am all for regional integration as the solutions to our collective problems lie in cooperation rather than competition. Let different African countries specialise in different industries. Instead of every African country trying to be silicon valley, how about pooling our resources to create one. Develop industry clusters that can compete and allow these clusters to attract the graduates from across the region.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 04:49 AM   #31
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Cooperation is a good thing for sure, but economic competition does seem to create motivation so it's not really a bad thing to me.

I don't see Uganda taking over Kenya as the "East African hub" anytime soon, but if they are trying to do so with future economic projects facilitating this goal, what's the problem? At the same time, Kenya growing and trying to retain the current rank by doing the same thing is good too.

Healthy competition is a good thing at times.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 09:52 PM   #32
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The way things are going, we will be talking about a joint East African economy in 4-5 years time.
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Old December 2nd, 2009, 10:39 PM   #33
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I've never read a forum titled "Illinois to overtake Florida!" or "Denmark catching up to Finland!". The fact is the larger Kenya's economy grows the more Uganda will benefit and vice versa.
I agree. There's something called the positive pull factor when it comes to economies. The best example of this would be the Far east and South East asia. Japan came up and before we knew it the rest followed suit. If Kenya prospers, chances are the economies of its neighbours will also prosper. Dont forget that for the first time in history, Ethiopia and Kenya will also have direct links by road and rail and that means if Ethiopia prospers, Kenya too will benefit from increased trade and vice versa.

Bottom line, I think the region is moving forward and all countries have a part toplay in this.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 06:02 AM   #34
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I agree. There's something called the positive pull factor when it comes to economies. The best example of this would be the Far east and South East asia. Japan came up and before we knew it the rest followed suit. If Kenya prospers, chances are the economies of its neighbours will also prosper. Dont forget that for the first time in history, Ethiopia and Kenya will also have direct links by road and rail and that means if Ethiopia prospers, Kenya too will benefit from increased trade and vice versa.

Bottom line, I think the region is moving forward and all countries have a part toplay in this.
exactly
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:30 AM   #35
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Some countries have no choice but to blend in a Union.( 100% Land locked, also profit from very low Tax, get investment from giants members).( one way to survive).

But as Xusein put; Healthy Competition is a very good thing for economies . it brings innovations, creativity, and just force one another to do better than the other.

SADC for exemple; No one is rushing for integration. even small poor land locked like Malawi, not rushing for the Union.
There are major things that must be established at local level , than at regional level.(i.e Agriculture, Infrastructures[roads, highways, electricity] , Education, basic health care , Minimum Corruption). Just look at the amounts of money that SADC is spending on these things.

Don't think you will go in the Union expecting anyone to pay for your basic obligations, no one have time to fix your mess. because coming in with a lot of mess, no one will intoxicate the rest.

Just look at the EU integration.( every country must show up with a certain minimum of requirements or well established basic services.

So for Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, have no choices but to join the Giants( that have what they need, Kenya, TZ's Ports, Market and Investments among others).

Not a bad thing, good thing because the market gets bigger for the Ginats( Kenya and TZ) while the small fish get all kinds of investments excess to low taxes, among others.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 10:28 AM   #36
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Uganda overtaking Kenya?? Oh dear, this forum is really a joke...
Did u attend school ?its a question not an insult, did u study Economics and Commerce in School, did u study geography, if u did the question is in your hands and if u dint attend school try some where else.

This is not an argument thread, its a proposition thread, if u have been in Uganda then know that its possible for Uganda to take over Kenya.

Compare Saudi Arabia to United Arab Emirates, Saudi was the strongest Economy in the middle East and infact the biggest in size and population but when U.A.E got oil, now its the Strongest in Middle East yet its the smallest in size.
Mathias Ofidale u know wat am say..........
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Old December 4th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #37
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You are assuming too many things:

a. that Uganda is the only country that has oil. If Uganda has it, no doubt Kenya has some too, it's just not discovered yet but it will probably will be soon enough.

b. that the oil curse will bypass Uganda and that oil will definitely boost the economy long term. How do you know this? There's a good chance that the money ends up in Swiss accounts rather than average Joe's village.

c. that the amount of oil to be produced will be so significant that Kenya cannot compete as a non-oil economy, even though it's been solidly growing.


Too many assumptions, too little facts IMO.

About Ethiopia overtaking Kenya within a few years, it's actually based on growth forecasts (which can also be wrong of course).
Obviously Kenya will stay ahead in terms of GDP/capita for years to come, but Ethiopia will overtake soon in terms of overall size of the economy.
For instance the Economist predicts that 2009 GDP for Ethiopia will be $30 billion while Kenya will hit $35 billion. In 2010 though, Ethiopia is expected to get to $35 billion while Kenya is expected to be at $38 billion. IOW, if the above predictions are true, then 2011 or 2012 will see Ethiopia pass Kenya as the largest economy in East Africa.

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Old December 5th, 2009, 07:07 PM   #38
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About Ethiopia overtaking Kenya within a few years, it's actually based on growth forecasts (which can also be wrong of course).
Obviously Kenya will stay ahead in terms of GDP/capita for years to come, but Ethiopia will overtake soon in terms of overall size of the economy.
For instance the Economist predicts that 2009 GDP for Ethiopia will be $30 billion while Kenya will hit $35 billion. In 2010 though, Ethiopia is expected to get to $35 billion while Kenya is expected to be at $38 billion. IOW, if the above predictions are true, then 2011 or 2012 will see Ethiopia pass Kenya as the largest economy in East Africa.
This was exactly my point, but we have to stop popping 5-6 baby's/family or this growth won't help much.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 01:56 AM   #39
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This was exactly my point, but we have to stop popping 5-6 baby's/family or this growth won't help much.
that goes for kenya too. the african population is growing too fast too quick. some population control is needed.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 02:35 AM   #40
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This was exactly my point, but we have to stop popping 5-6 baby's/family or this growth won't help much.
4 kids is the minimuM in Congo . LOL.


However; what's your suggestion?

Ban polygamy,
Held every man responsible for the kids born,

Higher education for women and Man.
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