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Old November 16th, 2012, 10:50 PM   #121
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Old November 17th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #122
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I'd love to see this in a render with a view in which there would be 432 Park too
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Old November 17th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #123
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by the way : http://www.skyscrapercenter.com/new-...-avenue/14787/

855 ft with those fins
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Old November 17th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #124
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I felt it must be much taller than 200m So almost a supertall then
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Old November 17th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #125
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Those fins are way too large.
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Old November 17th, 2012, 08:38 PM   #126
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Better large fins that are actually a part of the design than another huge pointless spire on the box.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 03:17 PM   #127
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Midtown has more than enough spires.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #128
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That's true. The fins appear at least from 2 of the 4 sides as part of the building.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #129
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Better large fins that are actually a part of the design than another huge pointless spire on the box.
Agree, these fins look quite good to me. But a spire would destroy that design
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:38 PM   #130
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Yes they fit in quite nicely though I do hope that they add some curvature or design to them. They seem just a tad bland imho.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #131
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They (the fins) have one awesome feature which is the lighting (at least it looks like lighting on the renders). Maybe not by the design itself (which is nicely balanced but not iconic) but by those three neons going all the way to the top at night this tower will make one of the most recognizable spots on the skyline. Kind of the impact China Bank makes in the Honk Kong skyline
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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:30 PM   #132
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Old December 5th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #133
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The design presentations of each of the 4 finalists are now up on youtube:

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Old December 5th, 2012, 07:28 PM   #134
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Sir Foster: "Celebrating the setback"

I can understand why that proposal won by the way. All except* Foster were
trying to sell pretty shapes. Foster's presentation focussed more on the desire
to create beautiful spaces.

Thanks for uploading those bytheway!

*And Rogers maybe

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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:43 PM   #135
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Beautiful tower!!!
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Old December 10th, 2012, 04:19 PM   #136
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Nice tower. Especially those fins are pretty cool. This could be a new iconic building for the city.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 04:29 AM   #137
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Not a bad looking design.
I personally liked the Zaha Hadid proposal better, but this one fits New York the best.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 05:56 AM   #138
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Ugh, why did he take the setbacks into consideration? That was one of the most stupid zoning ordinances the city ever adopted.

Considering the present, a better question would still be, "why is this building so boring compared to Heart Tower and 50 UN Plaza?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:32 AM   #139
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Ugh, why did he take the setbacks into consideration? That was one of the most stupid zoning ordinances the city ever adopted.

Considering the present, a better question would still be, "why is this building so boring compared to Heart Tower and 50 UN Plaza?
Setbacks are useful and increase quality of life in such a densely packed city, especially with all the tall canyons everywhere. People don't want 1000 foot sheer walls towering right over them as they walk the narrow streets of NY. I agree though that the setbacks should depend on the surrounding area and height of the towers.

They usually pick the most cost efficient designs, that is just the way it works. It seems quite obvious that it would be far costlier to build some of the other more ostentatious designs. However, I disagree with you on UN Plaza, that isn't an exciting tower at all. Park avenue is also conservative, and this tower fits in with that theme even though I also would have prefered the Hadid tower.

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Setbacks are useful and increase quality of life in such a densely packed city, especially with all the tall canyons everywhere. People don't want 1000 foot sheer walls towering right over them as they walk the narrow streets of NY. I agree though that the setbacks should depend on the surrounding area and height of the towers.

They usually pick the most cost efficient designs, that is just the way it works. It seems quite obvious that it would be far costlier to build some of the other more ostentatious designs. However, I disagree with you on UN Plaza, that isn't an exciting tower at all. Park avenue is also conservative, and this tower fits in with that theme even though I also would have prefered the Hadid tower.
I'm aware of what setbacks were intended to do. However, the whole canyon scare was a Progressive Era myth, which is why the law is no longer in place.

It didn't increase the quality of life for anybody, and instead created a whole generation of mutilated-looking buildings, many of which replaced beautiful pre-1916 high-rises.

Look at Hong Kong. You literally have streets flanked by one tower after another, and the street can still be an attractive place. It's not dark either, and the lack of street-lighting was the main reason the ordinance was adopted.
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