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Old September 14th, 2004, 02:48 AM   #1
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Vilnius projects vs. Riga projects

Hello everybody,

a small discussion was held in Miestai ir architektura forum after couple of my articles in the SSC newsletter. The topic was, which city, Vilnius or Riga, has more planned and undergoing projects. I tried to count it myself, but don't want to be biased and post projects of Riga, so it could be done by some other latvian forumer, maybe Gatis could help . In other words I counted and found out that Vilnius is currently leading and its projects are more real. So, go on

- Helios tower (26 floors, U/C)
- Unknown tower in NCC (~27 floors, marked as very real in Vilnius development plan)
- Register center (up to 40 floors, possibility is unknown)
- Vyrokas apartments (24 floors, U/C, whole building will be finished next year)
- SBA tower (12 floors, U/C, a little on hold to get materials]
- Vilnius Gates (quite a big complex, including 18 and 12 (14?) storey towers)
- Victoria tower (almost topped out, 16 floors)
- BCC2 (construction will start soon, 12 floors)
- 2 15-floor towers and a retail and entertainment center (very real)
- 2 20-floor residential towers + a whole residential district in Karoliniskes
- Theme park + Aquapark
- 4 16-floor buildings in 2 locations, U/C
- Delfinas residential, almost finished
- Lazdynai business center, 10 floors
- The extension of the first Hanner, to 12 floors
- 8000 m2 business center near the Green Hanner
- Lowrise office building in Zverynas (soon to be started)
- Siemens Arena (almost finished)
- The North Town development (undergoing)
- Eika retail center (very real)

and I think that's it. Please add if I forgot something
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Old September 14th, 2004, 10:18 AM   #2
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I think you should limit the comparison to high-rises only, given the fact that there are so many smaller projects going on that it's impossible to keep a track of them all.


. . . vs. comparisons again! aaargh!
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Old September 14th, 2004, 12:10 PM   #3
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Gatis? Come on, show them some stuff....
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Old September 14th, 2004, 12:29 PM   #4
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I'm with Oberleutenant on this one.

Are all of those posted above on 12 floors or more? If not, where to put the limit? I mean, comparing the number of all construction-activity is pretty impossible unless you have some statistics of total floorspace acctually beeing built or something.
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Old September 14th, 2004, 01:55 PM   #5
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People in Lithuania (i believe in other 2 Baltic states too ) like to compare things with their neighbours and nothing wrong with that.

It's hard to forecast highrise construction activity since this mostly depends on the wishes of developers and attitude of the municipality (we're not Hong Kong where every single m2 has a price of gold). As for overall construction activity Vilnius looks more active now but in the future it might change. Everything will depend on market demand. Currently office demand has lowered in Vilnius while residential space demand is still high above the supply despite construction boom which already lasts for 3 years. We should consider these: office space demand, residential space demand and retail space demand. By judging those measures we might forecast the construction activity for the next 2 years or so.
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Old September 14th, 2004, 08:54 PM   #6
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People in Lithuania (i believe in other 2 Baltic states too ) like to compare things with their neighbours and nothing wrong with that.
The problem is that all too often in the internet it just degenerates into nationalistic dick-waving and pompous chest pounding...
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Old September 14th, 2004, 09:26 PM   #7
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You can just look at my Riga highrises thread or emporis.com data about Riga - there is more or less all I know about highrise projects in Riga. Other projects, f.e. supermarkets, exhibition centres, opera's etc. are hard to account. In my Riga thread I do not speak about large scale multiapartment building projects in Kleisti (on-going), Rumbula, Dreilini (on-going) etc. - each of them is creating something like a small city, but these projects are not that interesting. Btw. in these days there started large construction on Lucavsala but I am in very hot deficite of time to follow all of this (working some 16 hours per day).
Realistic highrises (20 floors and more) are not that many:
1-5.- 5 Solaris apartment buildings 25 floors. Two of them currently have third floor u/c
6. - Skaistie skati - 24 fl. Had to start in spring, but delayed. They are fighting with all the permitting, redesigning etc., but it should be built.
7. Smilsu pulkstenis - 35 fl. To my mind 40% probability that it would be built. They have made loud announcements but nithing real seen, nothing heard about permitting.
8. Lucavsala multifuntional - 26 fl. Detailed desing ongoing, do not see any reasons why it should not be built around 2007.
9. and 10. Apartment houses in Kliversala, 24 floors. Serious preparations with all the permitting on-going, first should be ready in 2007.
11. and 12. Skanstes Street office towers - 40 and 24 floors. Visionary. Let's wait until the beginning of October - could be some news.
13. Kliversala III - 20 floors. Will come later - around 2010.
14. and 15. Acropolis I and II - 30 floors. Just announcement, nothing more heard.

Saules akmens not included here anymore - this one is nearly completed.
There are rumours about some more highrises with permitting ongoing but their developers have decided to do it in silence. In the beginning of October there would be announced new plans regarding the new office of Riga City Council - one or two highrises expected. Let's see.

All the other large projects are too many to account - should be above 30 of them. Did I mention the new police quartal with 50 mio EUR investment - it is contracted currently? Or Police Olympic center which soon would be completed (if we continue with police thingies)? There are many projects which I forgot to mention in my Riga thread. Let's not forget new city with 540 ha area actively built next to Riga - Saliena.


Yeah, it really turned into nationalistic dick-waving but I could not help... I do not like these comparisons but had to do something about it.

I think that comparison with Vilnius is somewhat impossible... The only thing what can show something would be amount of planned investments in money - but I am not going to dig for it
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Well well, I see Riga is winning!!! Something should be done about this!!!!!!!!!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mantaz
SBA tower (12 floors, U/C, a little on hold to get materials]
: are you joking?
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Old September 14th, 2004, 11:01 PM   #10
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Well well, I see Riga is winning!!! Something should be done about this!!!!!!!!!

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I can express some doubts here. Many of those projects are just proposed and many are planned from 2007 to 2010 while Vilnius is now building and projects that I posted are planned for next year or not really for that far as for Riga Moreover, most of those planned high-rises are modern residentials that Riga used to be short of the most of all the baltic states. Seems like a demand for these buildings wasn't noticed till now
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Old September 14th, 2004, 11:10 PM   #11
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I think PornStar is not exactly serious, as usually
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Old September 14th, 2004, 11:11 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Singidunum
: are you joking?
Well, this building will use architectural structures that wasn't used in Lithuania before, like a DNA spiral core Note that the basement is fully prepared now, as seen in the pic

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I think PornStar is not exactly serious, as usually
Oh, isn't he? I must have lost my sense of humour then
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I can express some doubts here


on the other hand, it's sorta nice to have some serious forumers in

keep on, Mantaz!
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on the other hand, it's sorta nice to have some serious forumers in

keep on, Mantaz!
Hehe, wtf happened to you, seems like you just smoke some weed and can't stop laughing
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Old September 14th, 2004, 11:19 PM   #16
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Ober, you're overreacting a little. Never heard any nationalistic garbage here on S&B...maybe you should come to EE section a little?

All in all ... great projects in both Riga and Vilnius!
Balkans envies you...nothing going on here.... for now.
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Ober, you're overreacting a little. Never heard any nationalistic garbage here on S&B...maybe you should come to EE section a little?
Actually, my comment was more or less a warning that might happen here in the worst case scenario. I know little bit of what happens in the other forums, and I certainly wouldn't want S&B to be like it.
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Actually, my comment was more or less a warning that might happen here in the worst case scenario. I know little bit of what happens in the other forums, and I certainly wouldn't want S&B to be like it.
@Oberleutnant Dick-waver, LOL
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@Oberleutnant Dick-waver, LOL
English is a funny language, isn't it?

(sorry for OT)
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English is a funny language, isn't it?

(sorry for OT)
I still can't stop laughing at an idom "It sucks to be you" (used in case when a person complains too much )
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