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Old March 29th, 2009, 07:18 PM   #61
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I think CFL and NFL figures can't be compared as they have short schedules and they have less professional teams for the population of their countries.

Tbf Rugby is generally called just that nowadays, Aussie Rules has that name to fall back on. It's only the Gridrirons, with the least kicking that resent not being called or referred to as football.
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Old March 29th, 2009, 07:26 PM   #62
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Well, I'll wait for likasz' wishes on this. He did ask for average attendance so that crowd size can be compared. If he wanted to extrapolate that to determine yearly attendance that's an entirely different matter. At this point, he's only asked for crowd size at games, nothing more, nothing less. 30,000 at a game is going to feel like 30,000 at a game whether there are 18 games in a season or 60.

I'll wait and respect his wishes though.
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Old March 29th, 2009, 09:04 PM   #63
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Don't muck up this thread with gridiron.
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Old March 29th, 2009, 09:56 PM   #64
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Based on information found on the website of Dutch footie magazine Voetbal International I came up with the following numbers for the Dutch Eredivisie for the 2008/2009 season:

League Average: 19672
League Median: 16553


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Ajax			48,612
Feyenoord		43,732
PSV			33,107
Heerenveen		25,557
Twente			23,247
Groningen		21,892
Utrecht			20,100
Vitesse			17,785
NAC Breda		16,718
AZ			16,387
Roda JC			13,872
Willem II		13,068
NEC			12,335
De Graafschap		12,193
ADO Den Haag		10,091
Sparta Rotterdam	10,236
Heracles Almelo		 8,456
Volendam		 5,349
The average should be able to rise to over 20,000 in the near future and perhaps towards 25,000 in 10 years from now once all the clubs are finished expanding their stadiums or constructing new ones.
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Old March 29th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #65
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apparently Ajax's figure is on ticket sold, not on who actually turns up, and is acutally below feyenoord's..
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Old March 29th, 2009, 10:06 PM   #66
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Your first statement is true, but I seriously doubt your second one. I personally belief that the Ajax' real average is somewhere around 45,000.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 03:07 AM   #67
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I hope the Swedish league will sometime follow the Eredivisie in terms of average attendances. Most clubs (which are from cities not substantially smaller than those in NL) should definitely be able to draw between 10.000 and 20.000 to their games, while the big teams should be able to have over 25.000.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 05:15 AM   #68
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Here is the 2008 average attendance of MLS

1 Los Angeles 26,050
2 Toronto FC 20,241
3 DC United 19,835
4 Houston 17,752
5 Chicago 17,052
6 New York 16,323
7 Real Salt Lake 16,314
8 Chivas USA 15,373
9 Columbus 14,421
10 New England 14,325
11 San Jose 13,755
12 Colorado 13,674
13 FC Dallas 13,097
14 Kansas City 10,673

Average Attendance: 16,310

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/a...r=2008&cc=5901

Kansas City is temporarily playing in a small baseball stadium until their new stadium is completed. Toronto's attendance would be closer to 40,000 if the stadium was anywhere near big enough. Seattle just joined the league this year and have drawn crowds of 32,400 and 24,000 to their first two games although the team is limiting capacity to ensure stadium intimacy.

Despite being a niche sport in America that is despised by much of the mainstream conservative population, the league draws very respectable attendance numbers in comparison to domestic leagues in Europe and around the world. Much like Mixed Martial Arts and extreme sports, the mainstream doesn't care while there is still a large enough minority with an appetite for the game. It will never be mainstream and rival the NFL and NBA but as long as there is a market niche with an appetite for the game MLS will be fine.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 09:49 AM   #69
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French Football League

Ligue 1 Orange :
Average attendance 2004/2005: 21,337
Average attendance 2005/2006: 21,543
Average attendance 2006/2007: 21,817
Average attendance 2007/2008: 21,804 (Paris SG made the worst season of its history, Lille-Lyon played at the Stade de France)
Average attendance 2008/2009: 20,759 until 29th Week (Lille-Lyon Played at the Stade de France, RC Lens one of the biggest Club plays in Ligue 2)

2007/2008 Average attendance by club:


2008/2009 Average attendance by club: (until 29th Week)


2007/2008 Average attendance by Percentage of Capacity:


2008/2009 Average attendance by Percentage of Capacity: (until 29th Week)




New Stadiums in building: Lille (50,186), Valenciennes (25,000), Le Mans (25,000), Lorient (extension: 25,000), Dijon (Ligue 2: 22,000).
Projected: Lyon (61,556), St Etienne (50,000), Strasbourg (42,716), Nice (40,000), Le Havre (25,000) and Clubs of Ligue 2.
Projected Extensions: Marseille (70,000 to 76,000), Lens (50,200), Nantes (45,000), maybe Toulouse (40,000 to 45,000), Rennes (35,000), Nancy (33,000), Metz (32,000), Grenoble (28,000) and Clubs of Ligue 2.

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Old March 30th, 2009, 11:46 AM   #70
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Belgian attendances 2008-2009 (first round)

club - average attendance (+percentage of total capacity) - highest attendance (only those above 10.000+percentage of total capacity)

Club Brugge KV - 26.231 (90%) - 28.180 (97%)
R. Standard de Liège - 25.780 (86%) - 27.000 (90%)
RSC Anderlecht - 23.521 (89%) - 24.297 (92%)
KRC Genk - 21.695 (88%) - 24.000 (98%)
KV Mechelen - 10.852 (77%) - 12.200 (86%)
KAA Gent - 10.100 (78%) - 12.919 (100%)
KFC Germinal Beerschot - 9.892 (80%) - 12.000 (98%)
Cercle Brugge KSV - 9.454 (33%) - 19.000 (65%)
R. Charleroi SC - 7.992 (31%) - 14.101 (55%)
SV Zulte Waregem - 6.568 (77%)
KV Kortrijk - 6.278 (67%)
KSC Lokeren OV - 5.934 (66%)
KSV Roeselare - 5.665 (59%)
R. Excelsior Mouscron - 5.266 (49%)
FCV Dender EH - 5.059 (62%)
KVC Westerlo - 4.878 (60%)
RAEC Mons - 3.905 (43%)
AFC Tubize - 3.358 (41%)
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Old March 30th, 2009, 01:12 PM   #71
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Old March 30th, 2009, 03:43 PM   #72
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Quote:
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I hope the Swedish league will sometime follow the Eredivisie in terms of average attendances. Most clubs (which are from cities not substantially smaller than those in NL) should definitely be able to draw between 10.000 and 20.000 to their games, while the big teams should be able to have over 25.000.
Sweden have lower then in Netherlands, Scotland, Turkey, Russia, Portugal, Norway, Belgium
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Old March 30th, 2009, 05:02 PM   #73
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You should remove Turkey because we do not have off average attendances in Turkey.
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Old March 30th, 2009, 05:44 PM   #74
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http://www.stadiumzone.net

shows all average football attendances in the world. Are they up to date?
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Old March 30th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #75
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According to that site there are only two teams in the danish league so I doubt it's up to date.

The link "mavn" posted looked better...
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Old March 30th, 2009, 06:28 PM   #76
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That lists the average attendance of the 72,000 seater Millennium Stadium in Wales as 15,000 That's completely wrong! It's always a sell out!
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Old March 30th, 2009, 07:24 PM   #77
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Awesome
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Old March 30th, 2009, 07:33 PM   #79
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urawa red diamonds have such a good fan base.
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Old March 31st, 2009, 01:40 AM   #80
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Ongoing Eredivisie season compared with the with the horrid 87/88 edition.
It probably was even worse, the figures for Feyenoord and NEC look suspiciously rounded up.


Code:
		08/09		87/88		Growth	
Ajax		48612		10647		 357%
Feyenoord	43732		10000		 337%
PSV		33157		21529		  54%
Heerenveen	25557		 3278*		 680%
Twente		23247		 6647		 250%
Groningen	21892		 7647		 186%
Utrecht		20136		 5412		 272%
Vitesse		17856		 1611*		1008%
NAC Breda	16718		 2222*		 652%
AZ		16387		 4117		 298%
Roda JC		13942		 5235		 166%
Willem II	13068		 8353		  56%
NEC		12335		 2000*		 517%
De Graafschap	12193		 3611*		 238%
Sparta         10359		 4824		 115%
ADO Den Haag	10091		 4882		 107%
Heracles	 8456		 1056*		 701%
Volendam	 5349		 4765		  12%
					
Average		19616		 5991		 227%
Median		16553		 4853		 241%

*Played in a lower division.

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