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Old February 14th, 2020, 10:54 AM   #141
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How and who do you propose rebuild these buildings?



They have been lost. The Arndale will remain unchanged for years to come. I can't see High Street (if it ever gets built) changing that.


We’re the 5th richest country on the planet. If we add the ambition I’m sure it could be made possible. If Germany can reconstruct why can’t we? Although we’d have to unite from planning to landowners for this to happen - which would be more difficult granted in Britain.

The High Street is a fantasy as obviously, nothing concrete has ever been proposed for that section of the Arndale as far as I’m aware. Intu look to be in jeopardy, maybe if it got tookover by a more ambitious owner we could hopefully see renewed emphasis on getting a makeover for that side done.
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I'm currently reading a book which claims there is an irrefutable link between architecture and mental health. The book claims that more 'classic' styles of architecture create a sense of joy in the mind, as they are pleasing to look at, and that people living in cities with large amounts of uinterrupted classical architecture generally have better mental health than people living in more 'modern' places, despite some of these cities having lower socioeconomic standards than others (it cites Krakow as a place where mental health is good despite low pay/employment/unstable economy).

It specifically states that the miserable, oppressive architecture of postwar Europe (Brutalism/modernism) has had a terrible effect on the living conditions of people living in cities where these styles have been forced upon them.

In an age where our mental health is becoming more of a concern, should we not be limiting the amount of miserable, grey architecture we build and switch back to much more playful types of architecture, which are a joy to be around?
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Old February 14th, 2020, 11:10 AM   #143
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Further, does it really come as a surprise that people living in these environments:








Are happier and have better mental health than people living in these environments...?





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Old February 14th, 2020, 11:19 AM   #144
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I'm currently reading a book which claims there is an irrefutable link between architecture and mental health. The book claims that more 'classic' styles of architecture create a sense of joy in the mind, as they are pleasing to look at, and that people living in cities with large amounts of uinterrupted classical architecture generally have better mental health than people living in more 'modern' places, despite some of these cities having lower socioeconomic standards than others (it cites Krakow as a place where mental health is good despite low pay/employment/unstable economy).

It specifically states that the miserable, oppressive architecture of postwar Europe (Brutalism/modernism) has had a terrible effect on the living conditions of people living in cities where these styles have been forced upon them.

In an age where our mental health is becoming more of a concern, should we not be limiting the amount of miserable, grey architecture we build and switch back to much more playful types of architecture, which are a joy to be around?


Are you talking about classical ie, ‘Greco-Roman’ or are you talking about vernacular? Personally I think vernacular architecture is what we should aim towards rather than sticking classical columns, porticos etc on something.

The best thing about vernacular architecture is it can change and adapt to the people it serves but is still ‘of an area’.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 11:47 AM   #145
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VDB is that first picture Krakow? It looks gorgeous
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is it not Amsterdam or somewhere else in the Low Countries? Architecture doesn't look Polish. Dutch roofs.
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VDB is that first picture Krakow? It looks gorgeous
It's Gdansk
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it's Gdansk Poland. (beaten me to it VDB!)

Largely rebuilt after WW2
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Old February 14th, 2020, 12:15 PM   #149
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ah cool
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Poland, who paid for the rebuild? The rebuild of East Berlin was hardly sympathetic in comparison?
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Lots and lots and lots of dutch traders in danzig, most of dutch money came from baltic trade. They called it the "moedernegotie" or mother of all trade.

So they brought over the famous dutch architecture building warehouses etc.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 02:43 PM   #152
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The 4th image looks like Stepping Hill Maternity Unit.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 03:12 PM   #153
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We’re the 5th richest country on the planet. If we add the ambition I’m sure it could be made possible. If Germany can reconstruct why can’t we? Although we’d have to unite from planning to landowners for this to happen - which would be more difficult granted in Britain.

The High Street is a fantasy as obviously, nothing concrete has ever been proposed for that section of the Arndale as far as I’m aware. Intu look to be in jeopardy, maybe if it got tookover by a more ambitious owner we could hopefully see renewed emphasis on getting a makeover for that side done.
"5th richest country on the planet" doesn't really mean anything in real terms for Manchester.

The wealth is too concentrated in this country and worst of all the only city that matters is London.

If it wasn't for football and, in more recent years, the Northern Powerhouse (pushed by George Osbourne) we'd just be a slightly bigger Sheffield.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 04:02 PM   #154
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That bit of Gdansk would fit into Spinningfields. The rest is commieblocks.
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Old February 14th, 2020, 05:04 PM   #155
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"5th richest country on the planet" doesn't really mean anything in real terms for Manchester.

The wealth is too concentrated in this country and worst of all the only city that matters is London.

If it wasn't for football and, in more recent years, the Northern Powerhouse (pushed by George Osbourne) we'd just be a slightly bigger Sheffield.

Be careful, way it’s going the Blades will probably be above both Manchester teams soon.

I agree regarding the London centric nature which has goaded this nation for, well, since the industrial revolution. However, we’ve got a forward-thinking, devolutionised government now... oh wait
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Old February 14th, 2020, 05:51 PM   #156
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My heart sinks every time I see a picture of how magnificent Manchester looked in the past.

Sadly it's now just a dream. But can you imagine if all those buildings had survived different councils, different property developers, the 2nd World War, etc, and instead had been saved, protected and redeveloped. Manchester today would be one of the finest and most grandiose cities in Europe.

Look how magnificent and ornate those buildings (warehouses) are. What a streetscape that would be today. Thankfully many of those buildings still survive to this day. Safly not enough of those buildings survived.

Ariel view, Albert Square 1922

I honestly believe if many or most of our warehouses across the city centre had not met a premature end, more parts of the city centre would resemble Soho in New York.

I appreciate the NQ is pretty much that bar the amount of warehouses that still remain unconverted into Apartments, and the general poor upkeep and appearance of of the NQ, which is down to the building owners and the city council.

Click on the link for a few more great pictures of Soho.



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That bit of Gdansk would fit into Spinningfields. The rest is commieblocks.
Not entirely true, while commieblock neighborhoods are indeed scattered around the city, it still has a number of nice districts outside the old town, like for example:

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3818...7i13312!8i6656

Especially the suburbs with old architecture remained mostly intact.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.4072...7i13312!8i6656

Not to mention just new suburbs.

https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3543...7i13312!8i6656

Yes, there are a lot of commieblocks in Gdańsk, just like in any other Polish/Eastern European city, but saying "the rest is commieblocks" is simply unfair.

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Poland, who paid for the rebuild? The rebuild of East Berlin was hardly sympathetic in comparison?
Well, Poles did with hard, often unpaid work. By the 1960s the old town had already been rebuilt (the part that was intended to be rebuilt obviously, in fact it was rebuilt only partially and a lot of buildings don't resemble their pre-war versions that much but that was the plan).
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Old February 15th, 2020, 01:02 PM   #158
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is it not Amsterdam or somewhere else in the Low Countries? Architecture doesn't look Polish. Dutch roofs.
DANZIG was a GERMAN city before the Poles were given it after the war...That we see is German Baltic style...
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Again, not entirely true and you should learn about the original, distinct, Dutch-influenced architecture of Gdańsk that peaked around the 17th century, that was replaced by more Prussian-like architecture in the 19th/20th century, then destroyed during WW2. That original architecture was the main example for the post-war reconstruction and this was not the typical "German Baltic style".

Germans did the same in many other cities where they sought to erase all traces of different than German cultures. Here you can see examples from Toruń, where a lot of Dutch-style buildings were rebuilt to look more "Prussian", like in Berlin:

http://www.toruntour.pl/5478/kamieni...larska-24-i-26

http://www.toruntour.pl/5477/kamienica-ul-szeroka-35

http://www.toruntour.pl/5476/kamieni...staromiejski-8

It was done in a similar way in Gdańsk.

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Old February 15th, 2020, 05:00 PM   #160
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What’s does any of this have to do with Albert Square?
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