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Old August 24th, 2015, 11:41 PM   #101
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I don't actually know if I like it or not TBH. From a distance it is undoubtedly impressive but it needs a more developed environment around it to support it. I have walked past it a couple of times and the surrounding area reminds me of Digbeth. The area has a nice distinctive character of 19C industry and warehouses and then you come across Beetham. I guess the juxtaposition is interesting, but it is difficult to see it up close as it is not in a setting such as a square. I am trying to 'get' Beetham as it is an important piece of architecture - its not elegant like the Gherkin and not frivolous like the Walkie Talkie, but it is a proud structure that is a little over the top, and maybe that represents Manchester. Who knows. Sorry if my post came across a little rude, but there is a SkyscraperCity rule that states that if Manchester is mentioned on a Birmingham forum, a Manc will come along and jump to its defence. For the record, I have never heard anyone rib BT tower, beleive me we have a lot more worthy candidates for that!
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Old August 24th, 2015, 11:46 PM   #102
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I really Like Beetham Manc
It is beautiful, but it is the only tallest building in Manchester
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Old August 25th, 2015, 12:08 AM   #103
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Back on topic, the news today that the global economy has started to crash may spell bad news for developments such as this. Do we know if the commercial element have a pre let?
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Old August 25th, 2015, 12:11 AM   #104
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The Global Economy has NOT began to crash.

I do wish the News wouldn't get so dramatic.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 12:40 AM   #105
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The FTSE 100 Index has dropped 18.2% since April 27th, and the All world index has fallen 14.8%.

A 'crash' is a drop of 10% or more in one or two days. A 'Market correction' is a drop of 10% over a period longer than this. In the 1929 crash, Wall St fell 40% over two months. In the 2008 crash, the S&P 500 fell over 20%.

Personally, how you read this depends upon your view of funds. Either a) Panic sell, or b) recognise that funds are on a 18% off sale and devise a strategy to buy more.

Either way, £100 Bln written off the FTSE 100 could have an effect on investment if it is underwritten by sovereign funds as I believe this is. If we have a pre let that sticks, then this will be on a firmer footing. I do hope you are right though.

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Old August 25th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #106
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The Economy is far more then just the FTSE 100.

There is big demand in Birmingham for Housing and Offices, therefore those who supply it will profit.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 01:03 AM   #107
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I absolutely agree and I hope the investors behind this agree too.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 01:56 AM   #108
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Back on topic, the news today that the global economy has started to crash may spell bad news for developments such as this. Do we know if the commercial element have a pre let?
Actually it might be a blessing in diguise. Stock markets crashes in Asia usually lead to investors storing their money in safe havens, i.e. the London property market. Beorma could benefit from being caught in the periphery of that.
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Old August 25th, 2015, 03:55 AM   #109
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Actually it might be a blessing in diguise. Stock markets crashes in Asia usually lead to investors storing their money in safe havens, i.e. the London property market. Beorma could benefit from being caught in the periphery of that.
The problem is that we were never seemingly wholly dependent on one behemoth of a nation though for not only recovery but continued income. Interestingly given how much we export to China, Brum and the wider region could be hit hard - JLR are already seeing the peak.

In any case - I'm guessing 6 months is when we may see any significant effect. China's mismanagement/interference is only going to lead to the inevitable sooner or later - A managed descent would have been better than trying to mask the problems.... But should we have expected anything else. They had been warned.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:31 AM   #110
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The more I look at this the less I like it and I don't have much faith that it will even look like this.
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I've just seen the revised plans on Bdonline.co.uk

What do you all think? It looks slimmer than the previous design, but a great deal less interesting. But maybe a bit of simplicity, if well executed, will be a blessing.



http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/plans...77227.article#
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Old August 26th, 2015, 02:46 PM   #112
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I still think it's very weird hemming in the church with tall buildings. The attractive church has obviously raised the value of the surrounding sites, but that shouldn't mean that developers of those sites should be allowed to harm the setting of the building and possibly reduce the charcater value of the area.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 03:03 PM   #113
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I quite like the contrast. Hard to argue for the integrity of the church after the Bull Ring has been wrapped around it for so many years. The mix of old and new is very interesting.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 04:10 PM   #114
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can't agree more I think surrounding it with new tall buildings makes it stand out more
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Old August 26th, 2015, 10:35 PM   #115
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I still think it's very weird hemming in the church with tall buildings. The attractive church has obviously raised the value of the surrounding sites, but that shouldn't mean that developers of those sites should be allowed to harm the setting of the building and possibly reduce the charcater value of the area.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ............



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Birmingham not unique with "hemming in" it's historic buildings, churches included, with tall buildings. Take a closer look at your own city
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I'm pretty sure that the Beorma Quarter Tower is being built in the City of Birmingham, just across the street from Selfridges, the Phase 1 has already been built, now the Phase 2 is being built
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Damn it! 103 Colmore Row tower will be obliterated from that angle!!!
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Old August 26th, 2015, 11:27 PM   #118
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ............



Birmingham not unique with "hemming in" it's historic buildings, churches included, with tall buildings. Take a closer look at your own city
TBF the pic of the gherkin is a little misleading if you go there in real life.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 12:07 AM   #119
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Damn it! 103 Colmore Row tower will be obliterated from that angle!!!
It will appear above Bank House.
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113 metres tall .... where does this appear in the planning documents?
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