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Old September 15th, 2019, 07:26 AM   #81
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If they were creative about it, I actually think they could fit the aquatic centre and a medium rectangular stadium on the current site of the Gabba.
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From an uninformed outsiders view. The Mayne Rd Rail Yards appears the best site if Victoria Park is out of the question (can anyone explain why?)
Bowen Park and the Gabba site can't fit a 60000+ stadium plus the clear area surrounding required by the IOC, then there's the question of the Warm up tracks.

I don't know at all about access or proximity to rail but since hearing about SEQ's Olympic ambitions, I've always thought the Mt Coot-tha Quarry could make a visually spectacular setting for a sunken landscaped stadium.
Maybe a mostly temporary single tier stadium with the seating banks converted to grassed and vegetated terraces after the games.

Demolish QE2.
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Old September 19th, 2019, 08:57 AM   #83
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From an uninformed outsiders view. The Mayne Rd Rail Yards appears the best site if Victoria Park is out of the question (can anyone explain why?)
Brisbane City Council have plans to convert Victoria Park from a golf course to Brisbane's largest inner city park. See https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=2182046
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That to me is what makes it more likely. Structures appear in major city parklands. Having a stadium in the ugliest corner would allow a good transition.
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I’d prefer not.
Victoria Park is/will be a parkland, designed to provide open green space back to Brisbane. Developing it with stadiums and buildings only erodes into that space and thats valuable green space that can’t be recovered once gone.

Mayne railcards are the best bet as far as I’m concerned, no reasons those railyards cant be shifted further out along the lines and this is exactly the kind of development which could make that happen.
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Old September 19th, 2019, 12:51 PM   #86
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Even the bit that's car park and road?
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Some form of development will be required to enable the park to be best utilised and accessible to the public, however I’d consider an Olympic stadium over-development in this case.
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Using Sydney as an example.

Moore Park features the SFS(currently being re-built) and the SCG, this area is closed off to the public outside of sporting events and it exists mostly in the built form. It’s not open green space. There’s been a lot of criticism of Moore Park over the years in what’s considered a commercialisation of the parklands, outside of the stadiums the teams also hire the local training fields which aren’t accessible to the public. The other green space is actually makeshift car parking which they hire out on match days.

Centennial Park, considered the “peoples park” is what Victoria Park should be aspiring to, it has a smattering of buildings like cafes, bathrooms and change rooms, but outside of that they’ve focussed on keeping it a green open space, available to everyone.
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Even the bit that's car park and road?
The thing is, it wouldn't JUST be the carpark and road section.

I've actually seen some initial concepts that were drawn up last year by an architectural firm for the layout of Victoria Park in Olympics guise (I don't think it was ever released for public viewing), and the park was subject to a massive amount of development.

What was envisioned was both an large oval stadium and medium rectangular stadium, a large number of associated small buildings (Olympic Village maybe?) and a large paved forecourt linking these elements. The result was that about half of Victoria Park's landspace would be developed, with this being in the very middle of the park. It would have resulted in Victoria Park becoming something fairly similar to Moore Park which, as Enola says above, would not be a good outcome.
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I don't mean Carrara stadium, I mean the indoor stadium built next door for the Commonwealth Games.
The state netball centre has also since opened.

There will be venues outside SEQ, just like the comm games and Sydney 2000. I remember watching them paint Sydney 2000 on the grass at the Gabba for soccer prelims.
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The thing is, it wouldn't JUST be the carpark and road section.

I've actually seen some initial concepts that were drawn up last year by an architectural firm for the layout of Victoria Park in Olympics guise (I don't think it was ever released for public viewing), and the park was subject to a massive amount of development.

What was envisioned was both an large oval stadium and medium rectangular stadium, a large number of associated small buildings (Olympic Village maybe?) and a large paved forecourt linking these elements. The result was that about half of Victoria Park's landspace would be developed, with this being in the very middle of the park. It would have resulted in Victoria Park becoming something fairly similar to Moore Park which, as Enola says above, would not be a good outcome.


I would never support that in the slightest. I'm thinking similar to how the MCG transitions from a major road to an inner city parkland. Not multiple stadiums and accommodation.
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The thing is, it wouldn't JUST be the carpark and road section.

I've actually seen some initial concepts that were drawn up last year by an architectural firm for the layout of Victoria Park in Olympics guise (I don't think it was ever released for public viewing), and the park was subject to a massive amount of development.

What was envisioned was both an large oval stadium and medium rectangular stadium, a large number of associated small buildings (Olympic Village maybe?) and a large paved forecourt linking these elements. The result was that about half of Victoria Park's landspace would be developed, with this being in the very middle of the park. It would have resulted in Victoria Park becoming something fairly similar to Moore Park which, as Enola says above, would not be a good outcome.
Thats my issue as well, i's not just the stadium but its the warmup track, surrounding amenities and the pedestrian forecourt leading up to, and around the stadium. Most modern olympic stadiums are covering an area of around 350m x 300m. Which equates to around 10 hectares, meaning 1/4 of the Victoria Park green-space would be taken up by this stadium.

Sydney Olympic Stadium and the surrounding plaza is almost 16 Hectares, that's the same size as Roma Street Parklands and about 1/3 of the purposed size of Victoria Parklands.

Thats an unacceptable amount of green space to be losing to a stadium when this stadium could feasibly be built elsewhere.
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