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Old September 5th, 2019, 03:40 PM   #6421
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Btw.. what has been going on in the existing Martin Place station? Anyone got a pic?
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Old September 5th, 2019, 04:06 PM   #6422
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Btw.. what has been going on in the existing Martin Place station? Anyone got a pic?
That has its own thread, zoomy

https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showt...984744&page=14
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Old September 5th, 2019, 04:46 PM   #6423
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Btw.. what has been going on in the existing Martin Place station? Anyone got a pic?
Not much to see at the existing MP station - it remains relatively untouched apart from a small amount of barricading for future escalators - all the build is to the West of the existing station box.
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Old September 5th, 2019, 05:52 PM   #6424
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Sorry I missed "existing".

The new Sixty Martin Place is to house a relocated station lift, so I presume a hole will be drilled through the north concourse wall in coming months and the exiting lift decommissioned.
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Old September 6th, 2019, 10:11 AM   #6425
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I think you would (unless you close the whole lot and convert to buses)
Just not the cost-benefit in conversion to metro.
Of course you wouldn't convert it to metro! Permanent bustitution. You could probably put every passenger in a taxi for less than maintaining the railway service.
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Old September 6th, 2019, 12:14 PM   #6426
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Of course you wouldn't convert it to metro! Permanent bustitution. You could probably put every passenger in a taxi for less than maintaining the railway service.
The word "hyperbole" does come to mind here.
Yeah, its not the busiest part of the Sydney network but its not exactly a few dozen per day either.

Again, patronage would increase a LOT if there were a decent frequency and putting on a decent frequency using 4 car sets or whatever means quite a bit of additional cost, not the least of which is the staff cost.

Again, there are things you can do (planning) that would encourage more use.
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Old September 6th, 2019, 12:15 PM   #6427
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Not much to see at the existing MP station - it remains relatively untouched apart from a small amount of barricading for future escalators - all the build is to the West of the existing station box.
I'd have thought that the underlying pedestrian tunnels would have been built by now.
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Old September 6th, 2019, 12:16 PM   #6428
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Sorry I missed "existing".

The new Sixty Martin Place is to house a relocated station lift, so I presume a hole will be drilled through the north concourse wall in coming months and the exiting lift decommissioned.
Is there a drawing of how that will work?
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Old September 6th, 2019, 02:41 PM   #6429
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Old September 8th, 2019, 08:23 AM   #6430
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I think Sydney Metro were simply canvassing their options in the following order: 1) Bankstown above ground interchange - proving difficult given space constraints; 2) Yagoona interchange - the local NIMBY's killed that idea off; 3) Bankstown underground interchange - maybe this is back on the table?

But thanks for reminding me of that Yagoona option, it accidentally took me to Bankstown council's underground metro vision video, I must admit it's impressive and this was back in 2017. The development over the underground station in the vision is extensive and could contribute to a good chunk of the cost. And the council is to this day still advocating for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6kd9nlRxUs
Agreed. I imagine that would be profitable in and of itself. What's probably preventing it now is the promise to extend the line to Liverpool, which would be made more difficult if the line was capped over.

Or they could do the necessary pre-building now (underground interchange, stub lines pointing in the Liverpool direction), thus making the extension considerably cheaper, and allowing for Bankstown's town square plan, but that would involve long-term planning.
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Old September 8th, 2019, 08:29 AM   #6431
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I think you would (unless you close the whole lot and convert to buses)
Just not the cost-benefit in conversion to metro.
A few 3-car sets and a few drivers on a 10-minute frequency isn't that expensive to run once you have the infrastructure.

Whereas Metro conversion is not cheap, new trains, new signalling, platform straightening, PSDs, yada yada.
And that small triangle doesn't need the increased frequency that metro brings, and it doesn't provide benefits to other lines (like T2/TO that the to Bankstown section brings)
You could, of course, use metro conversion as a pretext to turn the industrial lands in places like Sefton and Leightonfield into high-density residential areas, thus generating the necessary population catchment for a high-frequency metro service. No problems with NIMBYs as nobody lives there right now anyway (OK, that doesn't necessarily stop them).
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Old September 8th, 2019, 12:29 PM   #6432
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You could, of course, use metro conversion as a pretext to turn the industrial lands in places like Sefton and Leightonfield into high-density residential areas, thus generating the necessary population catchment for a high-frequency metro service. No problems with NIMBYs as nobody lives there right now anyway (OK, that doesn't necessarily stop them).
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Old September 9th, 2019, 01:33 AM   #6433
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Love this future metro network map. According to the journalist, "it is a government contractor that has worked on the creation of several projects and put this [metro map] together to provide a holistic look at the future network."




Metro map forecasts Sydney’s future driverless network

A blueprint of what the Sydney Metro network could look like in 2056 has been revealed, providing a look at new lines earmarked to connect suburbs.

A map forecasting Sydney’s driverless metro future has been released — earmarking the introduction of two new routes reaching through Sydney and out to the western suburbs.

The 37-year jump into the future predicts what the Sydney Metro network could look like in 2056. The blueprint was released by Voommaps, identifying key transport routes and stations highlighted by the Greater Sydney Commission and NSW Government.

The map suggest the Sydney Metro west would link Westmead and Norwest stations before extending out to the Western Sydney Airport and Aerotropolis site. Meanwhile, the Metro northwest line would be extended from Tallawong connecting Schofields and Marsden Park to the North South Rail Link from St Marys to the new airport.

A Voom maps spokesman said although the map created is not an official government document, it is based on “planned mass transit lines identified by the NSW Government’s Future Transport Strategy 2056”.

The prediction of the future metro services includes the Sydney Metro West — which is scheduled to commence construction in 2020, Sydney Metro Greater West — earmarked to start work in 2021, the Sydney Metro City and Southwest extension to Liverpool, Sydney Metro Greater West northern extension to Sydney Metro Northwest and Sydney Metro Greater West southern extension to Macarthur.

The map also includes a rail line from Parramatta to Western Sydney Airport and Badgerys Creek Aerotropolis, as well as a rail line from Leppington to Western Sydney Airport and Badgerys Creek Aerotropolis and a series of mass transit links from the Sydney CBD to Malabar via Randwick, Parramatta to Kogarah via Bankstown, Macquarie Park to Hurstville via Rhodes and Parramatta to Norwest Business Park.

“The map’s design is influenced primarily by the current Sydney Trains network map so as to be familiar design to Sydney’s public transport users,” the spokesman said.

“I believe that the major transport hubs referenced in the map are a step forward in promoting a more polycentric city, as opposed to the traditional paradigm dominated by the one Sydney CBD.”

Voom Maps forecast cross-country links would improve the feasibility of city centres, such as Parramatta.

“Currently, to get to Parramatta from Kogarah, one would have to travel all the way to the city first,” the spokesman said.

“The proposed direct link would make Parramatta significantly more accessible for a large proportion of Sydney’s population.”

The spokesman said the creation of the map was to see the NSW Government’s planned mass transit lines “holistically, as one interconnected network” rather than individual projects on separate maps.

A Spokeswoman for Transport Minister, Andrew Constance, confirmed the map was not an official government document, while a Greater Sydney Commission spokesman said the map “is the vision looking out to 2056”. The spokesman said the map aligned with the Metropolis of Three Cities and the 30-minute city concept.

“The Future Transport 2056 Strategy, the Greater Sydney Region Plan and the State Infrastructure Strategy from Infrastructure NSW were prepared concurrently,” he said.

“I believe that map is be based on the initiatives section of the Future Transport plan.”

The suggestion of the Sydney Metro’s future growth also comes as Mr Constance announced more than 5.6 million trips had been taken on the Sydney Metro northwest since it opened on 26 May — with “an overall customer satisfaction rating of 95 per cent”.


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Old September 9th, 2019, 05:07 AM   #6434
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Western Airport Metro should be separate from NW. and Metro West will not go all the way to Leppington
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Old September 9th, 2019, 07:30 AM   #6435
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Old September 11th, 2019, 03:40 AM   #6436
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Nancy back on the move..
After a couple of days of 10m moves, did 40m over the past 24hrs.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 04:31 AM   #6437
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Monday afternoon. South end of the platform at Central. Movement sensor in the foreground.



Yesterday morning. Martin Place.



For Zoom. Inside Martin Place.




Barangaroo access shaft on Hickson Road.




There's actually 2 filming locations for The Matrix in these shots.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 06:51 AM   #6438
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bit of a mindshag seeing a crane smack bang in the middle of Martin Place.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 08:27 AM   #6439
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bit of a mindshag seeing a crane smack bang in the middle of Martin Place.
I think that went up prior to the March election, and for a lotta people working in the CBD that's when shit got real and they could see where the Government was spending their money, because much of Westconnex is hidden.

And yeah now with all the construction at Central too.

There's definitely a positive buzz around and people are looking forward to seeing everything done in a few years time. Nobody seems to mind the disruptions too much.
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Bloody Libs building a skyscraper in the middle of Martin Place.
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