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Old December 13th, 2016, 05:22 PM   #8241
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La Union is just an extension of the Manila-Dagupan Railroad

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i hope that someday PNR commuter and freight train services will also return to the north (San Fernando, La Union; maybe also Dagupan until Laoag) in as much as we are hoping for the same for the return to the south (Legazpi, Matnog, Batangas).
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source says that the photo was taken on December 4, 1986. outdated na kung yan ang basis.

kung photos sa Wikimapia ang gagawing basis, which were taken 11 years ago (2005), sira sira na yung bubong ng station pero yung building, with walls already full of graffiti, ay nandun pa.





we don't know how the PNR San Fernando, La Union Station looks like right now, but i hope that the building is still intact. maybe a revival of PNR services to that part of the country will be a good start to restoring that building.

mabuti pa ang PNR San Fernando, Pampanga Station. well-preserved.

meron din photos ng Manila-Dagupan Railroad stations sa Heritage Conservation Society Wordpress site, dating back to 2006. i wonder how the stations in Dagupan, Calasiao, etc. look like now.


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Old December 13th, 2016, 07:07 PM   #8242
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La Union is just an extension of the Manila-Dagupan Railroad
I see. I was thinking that the original Northrail had separate lines going to Dagupan and La Union. I stand corrected.

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Nakita niyo na ba sa NLEX-SLEX Connector thread yung ginawa sa Higgins Hall at sa Caloocan Yard? How will PNR make full use of the ROW for its own modernization and expansion plans when it gave too many concessions to make the road pet project of Salim-MVP and the Abnoynoy admin possible? One of NLEX-SLEX Connector's girders was built too close to Higgins Hall (if proven to be an NHCP and NCCA historical site, heritage preservation advocates may use that photo as basis to file a protest for the construction of the NLEX-SLEX Connector, which endangers and sacrifices a heritage site), and then I read somewhere that the Old PNR Caloocan Station and signal huts were demolished to give way to the NLEX-SLEX Connector.
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Old December 14th, 2016, 06:44 AM   #8243
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I see. I was thinking that the original Northrail had separate lines going to Dagupan and La Union. I stand corrected.

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Nakita niyo na ba sa NLEX-SLEX Connector thread yung ginawa sa Higgins Hall at sa Caloocan Yard? How will PNR make full use of the ROW for its own modernization and expansion plans when it gave too many concessions to make the road pet project of Salim-MVP and the Abnoynoy admin possible? One of NLEX-SLEX Connector's girders was built too close to Higgins Hall (if proven to be an NHCP and NCCA historical site, heritage preservation advocates may use that photo as basis to file a protest for the construction of the NLEX-SLEX Connector, which endangers and sacrifices a heritage site), and then I read somewhere that the Old PNR Caloocan Station and signal huts were demolished to give way to the NLEX-SLEX Connector.
tama na yan mga protesta na anti progress importante yang project na yan NLEX-SLEX CONNECTOR sobrang traffic na metro manila wala akong pakialam kung sino ang investor nyan kung si MVP or kung sino pa man basta walang anomalya sa bidding oks ako jan malapit lang pala sa historical site di naman winasak ang historical site saka excuse me naman historical vs. progress aba eh sa progress ako backward thinking yan..
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Old December 14th, 2016, 07:11 AM   #8244
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tama na yan mga protesta na anti progress importante yang project na yan NLEX-SLEX CONNECTOR sobrang traffic na metro manila wala akong pakialam kung sino ang investor nyan kung si MVP or kung sino pa man basta walang anomalya sa bidding oks ako jan malapit lang pala sa historical site di naman winasak ang historical site saka excuse me naman historical vs. progress aba eh sa progress ako backward thinking yan..


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that is how close the NLEX-SLEX Connector is to Higgins Hall.

heritage preservation is not a backward thinking. Singapore, one of the wealthiest economies in the world, successfully protected its heritage sites without sacrificing them in the name of progress. Japan is doing the same thing.

quoting the same website:

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"The conservation of these buildings and areas in the city and elsewhere in Singapore, is testament to our rich architectural, historical and cultural heritage. Conserving and restoring our historic buildings also adds to the distinctive character and identity of our city. More importantly, they give us a sense of history and memory even as we move into the future."
are you going to say that the Singaporeans and the Japanese are backward thinkers for preserving their cultural treasures while in pursuit of their economic interests?

if the Japanese and the Singaporeans never sacrificed their cultural and historical treasures in the name of progress, why can't we do the same?
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Old December 14th, 2016, 03:18 PM   #8245
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hindi close ata, tataman talaga eh...

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Old December 14th, 2016, 06:23 PM   #8246
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that is how close the NLEX-SLEX Connector is to Higgins Hall.

heritage preservation is not a backward thinking. Singapore, one of the wealthiest economies in the world, successfully protected its heritage sites without sacrificing them in the name of progress. Japan is doing the same thing.

quoting the same website:



are you going to say that the Singaporeans and the Japanese are backward thinkers for preserving their cultural treasures while in pursuit of their economic interests?

if the Japanese and the Singaporeans never sacrificed their cultural and historical treasures in the name of progress, why can't we do the same?
so anjan na nga yan nangyari na laki na ng development at laki na ng ginastos jan so ano pa magagawa jan babaklasin ba lahat ng construction jan or ipa TRO sa korte yan aba pag na TRO sa korte yan matatakot lahat ng investor natin dito. tingin ko nmn alam nila na historical site yan pero kung wala na tlgang viable na ROW na pwede daanan at jan lang tlga ano mag shelve ba ng project dahil jan sa historical site na yan.
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Old December 15th, 2016, 01:54 AM   #8247
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so anjan na nga yan nangyari na laki na ng development at laki na ng ginastos jan so ano pa magagawa jan babaklasin ba lahat ng construction jan or ipa TRO sa korte yan aba pag na TRO sa korte yan matatakot lahat ng investor natin dito. tingin ko nmn alam nila na historical site yan pero kung wala na tlgang viable na ROW na pwede daanan at jan lang tlga ano mag shelve ba ng project dahil jan sa historical site na yan.
They can always find ways to design it in a way that the NLEX-SLEX road connector would not hit Higgins Hall. Ika nga: "Kung gusto may paraan, kung ayaw laging may dahilan"
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Old December 15th, 2016, 08:28 AM   #8248
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They could've anticipated to make the levels higher to avoid the roof.

Comparing to skyway...hindi naman flat ang skyway all through out.
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Old December 15th, 2016, 05:45 PM   #8249
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Failed North Rail project cost taxpayers P15.8B
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The anomalous NorthRail project which is supposed to link Manila to Clark is costing Filipino taxpayers P15.8 billion with nothing to show for it.

The project, funded by Chinese companies was first started during the Ramos administration, with the Arroyo government borrowing $316 million for the project, and later paying state owned company China National Machinery and Equipment Group (CNMEG) $210 million.

CNMEG is now asking the government to pay the balance of $106 million (P5.3 billion).
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Vivencio Dizon, president and chief executive officer of the Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA), said in a press conference yesterday the agency is dropping the Malolos-Clark component of the North Rail project as the previous management had decided.
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Northrail got a loan from China representing the $316 million contract price for the north rail project during the Arroyo government but failed to implement the project.
The current BCDA chair is misinformed blaming the Arroyo administration for the failed Northrail. It was the Aquino administration who totally scrapped the Northrail project, then paid part of the Chinese loan.

Good luck to this guy! Sweet talker Vivencio Dizon is too ambitious. Let's see how far he goes.
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Old December 15th, 2016, 08:02 PM   #8250
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The current BCDA chair is misinformed blaming the Arroyo administration for the failed Northrail. It was the Aquino administration who totally scrapped the Northrail project, then paid part of the Chinese loan.

Good luck to this guy! Sweet talker Vivencio Dizon is too ambitious. Let's see how far he goes.
I don't understand. I thought this issue was already settled when the previous government has scrapped and paid the $183M to China Exim Bank?
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I don't understand. I thought this issue was already settled when the previous government has scrapped and paid the $183M to China Exim Bank?
We did. It's just that the media likes to dig up old stories and issues.
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Old December 16th, 2016, 01:55 AM   #8252
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BCDA sees Northrail completed by 2022
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THE Bases Conversion and Development Authority (BCDA) expects to have the Northrail project done before the end of the government’s term in 2022, an official said.Vivencio B. Dizon, president and CEO of state-owned BCDA, told reporters in a briefing that the government is seeking partners to finish the long delayed project which would connect Metro Manila with Central Luzon.

He said that Japan, Germany, and Russia have expressed interest in the project, but companies belonging to the Japan Overseas Infrastructure Investment Corp. for Transport & Urban Development (JOIN) have submitted a proposal to do the feasibility study for the project.

“Our plan is to finish the railway… all the way to Clark by 2022,” he said yesterday.

“For now, our Japanese partners have submitted a proposal for them to do the feasibility study for the Malolos to Clark segment,” he said.

The planned 80-kilometer project would connect Tutuban to Malolos, then leading up eventually to Clark. Japan International Cooperation Agency has provided a grant for the construction of the segment connecting Tutuban to Malolos.

Mr. Dizon said that the segment connecting Tutuban to Malolos is in the “detailed engineering design phase,” which is expected to work out the specifics of the project by the second quarter of next year. This will be followed by a bidding process.

BCDA used to be the lead implementing agency of the project. To do so, it created a subsidiary named North Luzon Railways Corp. However, the Department of Transportation is now in charged with implementing both segments of the project, Mr. Dizon said.

“The interest of BCDA is in the Malolos to Clark segment because Clark is BCDA property. There is still no detailed design there,” he said, while adding that BCDA will support the transportation department for implementation of the Northrail.

The BCDA head also said that the agency is now considering the possibility of dissolving Northrail.

“On the part of BCDA, we are already studying the possibility of dissolving Northrail as a corporation because it does not really serve a purpose now. Right now, its only purpose is to be the other party in an arbitration case.”

Mr. Dizon was referring to the legal battle with China National Machinery and Equipment Group, which was initially selected to do the Northrail project, before being dropped, triggering the legal dispute. -- Roy Stephen C. Canivel
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Old December 16th, 2016, 05:59 AM   #8253
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I'll never believe in any of this until I actually touch it.




For now, I consider that as just another press release. But I'll wait till 2022 Mr. Dizon.
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Old December 17th, 2016, 09:18 AM   #8254
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that is how close the NLEX-SLEX Connector is to Higgins Hall.

heritage preservation is not a backward thinking. Singapore, one of the wealthiest economies in the world, successfully protected its heritage sites without sacrificing them in the name of progress. Japan is doing the same thing.
That Higgins Hall could be preserved if they used the Structural Relocation Method.

That hall can be moved to right since vacant lot naman sya. Not necessarily kailangan siya mademolished.

The best example of it is: Ginamit ng technology yan sa a hundred old Tianjin West Railway Station, umusog ng 200 meters para lang mapreserve.




The well preserved Old Tainjin West Railway Station after relocation


Tianjin West Railway Station (Old vs New at the back)
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Old December 17th, 2016, 06:14 PM   #8255
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Wishful thinking sa relocation method na yan na gagawin sa Pinas.

Kung irerelocate man ang HH, mataas ang probability ng tipid moves aka brick-by-brick.
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Old December 17th, 2016, 07:09 PM   #8256
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What is the historical importance of Higgins Hall?
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IIRC, that building was the Manila station during the inauguration of the Ferrocarril de Manila-Dagupan [the precursor of the present PNR) in 24 November 1892.

Not sure if the building in this photo is the original one before it was expanded during the days of the MRR.



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About Horace L. Higgins, from RIHSPI:

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** Needs to be fact-checked: IIRC [ulit], this is also where HLH held office, hence bearing his name.
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Old December 18th, 2016, 12:32 PM   #8258
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Here are some possible good references about Higgins Hall, PNR Caloocan Station and the Caloocan Yard itself:

MY NEIGHBORHOOD
A visit to Horace Higgins Hall and the PNR Station in Caloocan

By*MARK ANGELES
Published December 2, 2015 8:37am

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PNR website: PNR Historical Highlights

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Caloocan: Cradle of the Katipunan

Look for "Horace Higgins Hall"

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Horace L. Higgins Hall
(Caloocan City South)

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Thanks very much for the enlightenment.
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Old December 19th, 2016, 04:29 AM   #8260
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Northrail got a loan from China representing the $316 million contract price for the north rail project during the Arroyo government but failed to implement the project.
ang tanong: nasaan na yung pera na yan? Abnoynoy Aquino canceled the project, but the money was still there, i guess. dapat ipaliwanag nina Abnoynoy, PAbaya at Butch Abad kung nasaan yung pera.
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