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Old May 13th, 2013, 12:08 PM   #1
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2 St Peter's Square | 54m | 12 fl

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Developer: Mosley Street Ventures (Fred Done)

Architect: Ian Simpson Architects

Status: Approved



Brochures:
http://twostpeterssquare.com/downloa...Q_BROCHURE.pdf
http://twostpeterssquare.com/downloa...-st-peters.pdf

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102356/FO/2013/C2

Century House, Bennet House, Sussex House And Clarendon House Land Bounded By Mosley Street, Dickinson Street, Back George Street And Nos. 77-79 Mosley Street / 14-16 Princess Street Manchester

Demolition of existing buildings and redevelopment of the site to provide a twelve-storey class B1 office buildng with Class A1, A2, A3, A4 or B1 retail / commerical uses at ground floor level, basement car parking and other associated works
102357/CC/2013/C2

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Full details here:
http://www.publicaccess.manchester.g...1-dsx-0001.pdf


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Aerial View of St Peter's Square, Dec-13:

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Elevations.

Dickinson Street (Massing block for 3SPS to the right)
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Mosley Street
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Princess Street
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Back George Street
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And some cladding detail.

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Some of the reveals are straight, some angled
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Princess Street elevation - wider openings
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Back George Street - aluminium reveals
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The glazed portion, with angled glass louvres
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Ground floor plan.

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Old May 13th, 2013, 12:44 PM   #2
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Century house to be demolished?

Great! Get to f***!
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Old May 13th, 2013, 12:54 PM   #3
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13 May 2013, 10:46



Mosley Street Ventures, a special purpose vehicle controlled by Fred and Peter Done, has submitted plans to Manchester City Council for the development of a 162,000 sq ft office building in St Peter's Square.

The building will be constructed on the site currently occupied by Century House, Sussex House, Bennett House and Clarendon House, which would be demolished.

In a statement on Monday the developer said completion could come in late 2015 or early 2016. No decision has yet been taken about whether to wait for a certain amount of prelet or to build speculatively to exploit the supply shortage in new offices in the city centre.

The 11-storey building designed by Ian Simpson Architects is forecast to have an investment value on completion in excess of £80m.

The project team includes DTZ as letting agent, Deloitte Real Estate providing planning advice, Davis Langdon on cost consultancy and Troup Bywaters & Anders on mechanical and electrical. Funding has come via Santander, arranged and managed by Nigel Carson of Property Finance International.

Fred Done, owner of bookmaker Betfred, said: "This project once completed will create one of Manchester's most sought-after office spaces. We have worked extensively with the city and English Heritage to ensure the design complements their vision for the changing face of St Peter's Square. We are extremely proud to be connected to this project and the quality of the building that will be created."

The new office block would stand next to Argent and Greater Manchester Property Fund's One St Peter's Square, currently under construction.

Sir Howard Bernstein, chief executive of Manchester City Council, said: "The redevelopment of St Peter's Square is key to the growth of Manchester's economic centre. Our vision is to provide a world class setting to help reinforce the perception of Manchester as a dynamic, creative and confident city. The investment in Manchester's City Library, the extension of the Town Hall and the Metrolink Second City Crossing is going to reinvent the site, and Two St Peter's Square is an important element of that."

Ian Simpson, managing partner at Ian Simpson Architects, said: "From the beginning there was a desire to create a positive addition to the future aspirations for St Peter's Square that would be a defining component in the regeneration of the city's civic quarter. The contemporary exterior uses stone that bears a strong relationship to the locality and heritage architecture, and the decorative elevation will complement the staircase to the Town Hall Extension, creating visual cohesion within the site."
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I'm not heartbroken over losing Century house, but I do wonder why they can't demolish that shithole attached to it.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 01:17 PM   #5
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[img]http://i40.************/9tigwy.jpg[/img]

I haven't got a choice.

I can live with the ground level, sides, and roof section. However, the front/windows are very poor.

Forget the white internal window cladding and hey presto! (contrast and compare to No1)



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Old May 13th, 2013, 01:18 PM   #6
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Century House is a lovely building inside and out - great shame imo
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Old May 13th, 2013, 01:20 PM   #7
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I'm not heartbroken over losing Century house, but I do wonder why they can't demolish that shithole attached to it.
Which one you mean? The one behind will is scheduled for demolition (3 St Peter's Sq to be built).

Decent looking building IMO. Century House isn't much of a loss. It's served its purpose and has been empty for many years. You can all hail abuse at me for Century House but we are all allowed our own opinion. Quite different to Simpson's usual work. I like it!

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Old May 13th, 2013, 01:36 PM   #8
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I meant the one attached to century house heading up New York Street, but it seems that may go with Century house. I know 3 St Peters Square is planned the other side.


I agree on Century House, it's nice, but i'm not sure it's nice enough to warrant saving.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 02:01 PM   #9
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I think the loss of Century House would be a loss of character for the revamped square. I'd much prefer a new building on a smaller scale with Century House and the Victorian building on the other side acting as bookends.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #10
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wow the negative bas*ards are out in force on the first page of this thread. Impressive stuff guys!

Now ill just go try and find a vein with the proverbial knife you guys always provide!
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Old May 13th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #11
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Sorry im having trouble picturing the scale, that render does not look anywhere near as big as the site being demolished even factoring in a gap to the building on the end and widening of Mosley Street.

As to the actual design I like some elements of it but I think the supports and the design off of old iron railings will age quickly. It seems every other building at the moment is abusing the overhang and double height ground floor design ideas.
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wow the negative bas*ards are out in force on the first page of this thread. Impressive stuff guys!

Now ill just go try and find a vein with the proverbial knife you guys always provide!
Negative or honest?

I don't like the front of the building. Namely the windows which are too small and too tightly packed. It makes the building look oppressive.(Arndale tower-esc looking) Widen the windows and have less of them, and I can live with the building. It isn't a patch on No1 though.
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Old May 13th, 2013, 04:41 PM   #13
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wow the negative bas*ards are out in force on the first page of this thread. Impressive stuff guys!

Now ill just go try and find a vein with the proverbial knife you guys always provide!
How about some positive input from you then. Notice you were first to criticise others but never said anything about it yourself.

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Old May 13th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #14
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Golly, shame to lose Century house, but imagine the sense of scale this will add to the area, really bulking out down town Manchester, already 1SPS is adding a sense of hugeness, times that by 2...

There is brochure on CH here: http://www.estatesgazette.com/proper...dn-3324073.htm

All is pretty underwhelming really. And with the peace gardens gone (I liked them just for the greenery) the strip is even more underwhelming. Since the whole square is set to change, why not go with the flow and try create something really new and visually (imo) impressive.

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i'm not sure it's nice enough to warrant saving.
Maybe be but this design is certainly not an improvement on Century House or the wider collective streetscape nor really makes progress in redeveloping Manchester City Centre beyond the Lizzie House faux pas of the last generation.

An evidently banal design as this is never suddenly going to become astounding, especially once the budgeteeers start carving away at it, no matter how much the “wait-and-see ... all new construction is an improvement” championing of people on here of this world want it to.

Take away the filigree facade on this design (that more twitches than tips a wink to the Town Hall Extension and the supposed Conservation Zone of the area (and as JRB says you end up with an architectural nothing that would put one to sleep in Spinningfields or Canary Wharf; in a supposed Conservation Zone it merely reiterates the point (like his Library Walk Sperm Bubble) that Ian Simpson long since had an interesting vision for Manchester and is actual becoming hugely detrimently to how Manchester develops in the future.

That folly in the long term is counterproductive to creating a more aesthetic city that encourages investment from those both visiting the city and expanding the business & residential aspect which would have huge a greater impact on the economy of Manchester beyond a bit of Fred Done palm greasing and baseline accountancy figuring out.

As usual the MCC spouts nonsense about “international standard squares,” the importance of “Conservation Zones,” their love of the Mancunian Architectural legacies of previous Burghers, harangues Britannia Hotel Group for acting in their own selfish interest to the visual detriment of the area and yet seemingly allows Ian Simpson and the offshore pirates of Fred Done free reign.

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Wouldn't want to add to your pain.
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looks very much 1960's and is just a slab. Nothing to get excited about..now if had a cut back and terrace overlooking the square....hey ho, I'm no expert.....one of only 3 squares in Manchester with a sense of scale and all very boring.
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Maybe be but this design is certainly not an improvement on Century House or the wider collective streetscape nor really makes progress in redeveloping Manchester City Centre beyond the Lizzie House faux pas of the last generation.

An evidently banal design as this is never suddenly going to become astounding, especially once the budgeteeers start carving away at it, no matter how much the “wait-and-see ... all new construction is an improvement” championing of people on here of this world want it to.

Take away the filigree facade on this design (that more twitches than tips a wink to the Town Hall Extension and the supposed Conservation Zone of the area (and as JRB says you end up with an architectural nothing that would put one to sleep in Spinningfields or Canary Wharf; in a supposed Conservation Zone it merely reiterates the point (like his Library Walk Sperm Bubble) that Ian Simpson long since had an interesting vision for Manchester and is actual becoming hugely detrimently to how Manchester develops in the future.

That folly in the long term is counterproductive to creating a more aesthetic city that encourages investment from those both visiting the city and expanding the business & residential aspect which would have huge a greater impact on the economy of Manchester beyond a bit of Fred Done palm greasing and baseline accountancy figuring out.

As usual the MCC spouts nonsense about “international standard squares,” the importance of “Conservation Zones,” their love of the Mancunian Architectural legacies of previous Burghers, harangues Britannia Hotel Group for acting in their own selfish interest to the visual detriment of the area and yet seemingly allows Ian Simpson and the offshore pirates of Fred Done free reign.



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MEN.

Hadn't realised they'll be shops as well? How big is 5,500 sqft?

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Done brothers' property firm submits plans for £80m city centre building

13 May 2013 11:43

The property firm owned by Fred and Peter Done today unveiled plans for an £80m office and shopping complex in Manchester city centre.

The building will be called No 2 St Peter's Square and has been designed by architect Ian Simpson, the man behind other landmark schemes like Beetham Tower.

Plans have been submitted to Manchester council by Mosley Street Ventures, principally owned by the Done brothers, and have been described as a key part of the wider revamp of the St Peter's Square area.

The building will be built on the site of four existing buildings - Century House, Sussex House, Bennett House and Clarendon House.

There will be 162,000 sq ft of offices in the 11 storey block, as well as 5,500 sq ft of shops and parking for 43 cars.

If given the green light, it is hoped the building could be finished by the end of 2015.

The design of the building will be in-keeping with the feel of surrounding buildings, including Central Library and the annexe to Mancheter Town Hall, according to Mr Simpson.

Fred Done said: “This project once completed will create one of Manchester’s most sought after office spaces.

“We have worked extensively with the City and English Heritage to ensure the design compliments their vision for the changing face of St Peter’s Square. We are extremely proud to be connected to this project and the quality of the building that will be created”.

Sir Howard Bernstein, chief executive of Manchester City Council, said: “The redevelopment of St Peter’s Square is key to the growth of Manchester’s economic centre. Our vision is to provide a world class setting to help reinforce the perception of Manchester as a dynamic, creative and confident city.

“The investment in Manchester’s City Library, the extension of the Town Hall and the Metrolink Second City Crossing is going to reinvent the site, and No 2 St Peter’s Square is an important element of that.”
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5,500 sft is not massive. A typical supermarket is 35,000 sft. probably just be several shops at the foot of the building. Tesco Express, cafe bars etc?
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Old May 13th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #20
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You surely don't need an architect to create something that ugly do you?

Reminds me of a sixties block in Stockport especially the front of it - hideous.
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