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Old March 31st, 2014, 02:45 PM   #1
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Residents around Piccadilly Basin are to be notified of an Ian Simpson scheme for 91 apartments on the grassed area adjacent to Jackson's Warehouse. The design will be similar to what gained planning permission in 2007.
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Residents and developers clash over plans for 11-storey apartment block in Manchester city centre

Mar 31, 2014 06:00

By Deborah Linton

Residents in a Piccadilly Basin warehouse say the planned 91-apartment plot next door would dwarf the protected red brick warehouse

Residents have locked horns with developers over plans for an 11-storey apartment block in the shadow of one of Manchester city centre’s listed buildings.

People living in grade II listed Jacksons Warehouse, in Piccadilly Basin, say the development of 91 apartments planned for the plot next door would dwarf the protected brick warehouse which dates back to 1836.

They are billing the row over the site, between Tariff Street and the Rochdale Canal, as a repeat of the Jacksons Wharf saga in nearby Castlefield which put residents and developers, Peel Holdings, at odds for years. Both blocks are designed by award winning architect Ian Simpson.

Plans for the vacant Piccadilly site are due to be brought forward by landowners, Town Centre Securities, next month.
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Whilst I can understand the tenants objections, any scheme which brings more people and vibrancy into the city centre should be approved (unless it is something monstrous ).

Our city centre population has to undergo exponential growth, and this should be one of the council and private sector's top priorities. If anything I hope where I currently live in the centre will be dwarfed by surrounding buildings over the next decade - it's why I moved to the centre.
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I also think there's a laughable aspect to someone who has chosen to live in a bustling city centre and then complain when stuff like this gets planned on their doorstep.

Having said that I agree that the surface car parks should be filled first before even thinking about building on green space
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People won't want to move into the CC if the pubic space and greenery we have there disappears!
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Old March 31st, 2014, 06:59 PM   #5
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would dwarf the protected brick warehouse which dates back to 1836.
What's that?! A new building might be a bit bigger than one that's nearly two hundred years old? Nooo, stop the concrete mixers NOW!

Seriously, this site is surrounded by unmade car parks and the ugly arse end of Urban Exchange, it's not Castlefield. Nimbyism masquerading as heritage interest.
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This was the original design from 2007 for the Marina Apartments:

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It proposed a 6 storey block which linked to the height of the adjacent Jackson Warehouse. A 9 storey block was proposed towards the back of the plot which would have been less intrusive to the residents I would have thought.

The narrowness of the original wharfsidedesign was poor which could accommodate a few trees as well as bar/restaurant terraces adding vitality to the area.

This will depend on any new design but plonking 11 storeys towards the front of the plot here looks excessive in such proximity to the Listed Warehouse, especially when TCS could easily gain profit from building much higher around what is a barely started scheme.

It is arrogant to suggest that the needs & desires of those investing their own money, time and energy into choosing to live in a city should be less important than the developers & absentee landlords whose Raison d'être is merely short term financial gain. It is those who walk in this city everyday who seem to understand its beauty and potential, over those who would milk their landholdings for all they are worth in the short term, or worse politicians getting chauffeured in & out every day oblivious to their decison-making.

The return to city centre living in the Noughties was sold to the first wave of individual investors as a better way of doing things – currently too much development has abandoned that ideal for uncoordinated planning, lacking both high quality and symmetry as well as investment in the communities (which could develop here if places ever got completed)- through things like green space.

What we really need is a system that makes developers utilize the zombie car park holdings first before eradicating green space which provides a welcome asset for those choosing to live in the city. We need to hold developers to Masterplans which include greenery in the city but also one which balances the aesthetics of important historical areas like Piccadilly Basin to the needs of residents and businesses.

The argument that cities cannot accommodate both is disingenuous especially in a city centre which is probably still under half-undeveloped, with numerous potential car park plots, stalled Masterplans, abandoned industrial units, unviable 1960/70/80’s efforts and low storey buildings awaiting development; it is certainly unimaginative in the least.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 11:12 AM   #7
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It's very annoying that they want to bring forward this development on the plot of land that is currently a park whilst leaving all of the zombie car parks in place. Of course, a park doesn't make you money!

I would hope that the Council would make the developers develop the masterplanned park (different location) before this comes forward but I doubt they will.
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It's very annoying that they want to bring forward this development on the plot of land that is currently a park whilst leaving all of the zombie car parks in place. Of course, a park doesn't make you money!

I would hope that the Council would make the developers develop the masterplanned park (different location) before this comes forward but I doubt they will.
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certainly that suggestion is going in my objection letter!
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Section 106?
Generally being phased out in favour of the Community Infrastructure Levy.

This is supposed to ensure at least 15-25% of agreed funding actually gets spent on the local neighbourhood rather that going into a massive Council "pot-hole" fund which never gets spent- as was the case under 106 Agreements.

It would be interesting to know how much of that 106 Agreement money collected by MCC still lies unspent. I suspect the vague legal wording of contracts has allowed developers to wriggle out of obligations- or more cynically set up LLC's which go bump as soon as each development is finished and sold off like Urban Slash and Dylan Harvey did.
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Old July 10th, 2014, 12:14 PM   #11
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Property company Town Centre Securities has submitted plans to Manchester City Council for an 11-storey, 91-apartment scheme on Tariff Street in the city centre.

The proposed building, designed by Ian Simpson Architects, will be entirely residential and incorporate a mix of one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments.

The site is next to Jackson's Warehouse and is currently grassland. The block will form the next phase of the previously approved masterplan for the regeneration of the Piccadilly Basin area. The last phase of Piccadilly Basin was completed in 2008.

Within walking distance of Piccadilly station, TCS said the scheme would complement the council's regeneration plans for the area in preparation for HS2, which includes the construction of a new terminal alongside the current station.

The development team has worked closely with English Heritage on the design of the building.

The property will be split into thirds, with a brick lower layer, an aluminium or steel-panelled middle section, and a glass top section.

The designs include a private communal outside space facing the canal and marina, lighting for residents and towpath users and the creation of green roofs.

Piccadilly Basin has been owned by TCS since the late 1960s as part of founder Arnold Ziff's ownership of the Rochdale Canal Company. A masterplan for the area was developed in 1998. Initially, the canal was re-opened, a road bridge removed between Ducie Street and Brewer Street, locks were replaced and a marina created.

In 2006 TCS developed a 33,100 sq ft office building for BDP as its northern HQ and in 2008 completed the redevelopment of Carvers Warehouse into offices.

Richard Lewis, property director at Town Centre Securities, said: "This was a key site in the original masterplan for Piccadilly Basin. Our ambition has always been to create a high-quality, superior waterside development that completes the marina. We are committed to sustainable development and have a solid reputation for quality and innovation.

"In recent years TCS has worked hard to transform and regenerate the area, reopening the canal and tow paths, restoring historic mills, improving the public realm and building bespoke, design-led new buildings."

GMI Construction Group is the development partner and Deloitte Real Estate is the planning consultant for the scheme.
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Overbearing....

and they should really replace the lost green space before, or as part, of building on this plot.
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Think it would look ok apart from that nonsense on the roof
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A nightime render too, shows off the roof more.



From http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....-plans-7401656
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Ah! I really like it, sorry guys.....
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I like it too, I just prefer what's there now!
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Make that 3.

I've given Simpson some grief over the last few months regarding No2 St Peter's Square and the blockage on Library Walk, but this looks good. It's certainly interesting and fits in nicely with the other buildings and the surroundings. It's miles better than some of the boring and genetic stuff built around Piccadilly Basin.

Thankfully there's some good midrise stuff coming through ATM.

It's safe to say the city is booming once again, as regards housing, construction, and jobs.
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TCS submits plans for Piccadilly Basin resi scheme

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PROPERTY investment and development company, Town Centre Securities has submitted plans for an 11 storey, 91-unit apartment scheme in Manchester city centre.

The proposed landmark building on Tarif Street, designed by Manchester based Ian Simpson Architects, will be entirely residential and will incorporate a mix of one, two and three bedroom apartments.
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/north...s_section=4150
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The lower section is fine but the box stacking is a visual nonsense; Simpson tapping into the architectural Zeitgeist (see Mecanoo Birmingham Library) and pretending he’s at the cutting edge. It’s also a cynical way to increase the height of the building significantly higher than Jackson Warehouse and the block opposite (at 6 storeys), to 11 storeys. I think the renders are deliberately a little skewed to hide this given local residents objections to the height proposed.

The most disappointing thing seems be the lack of retail/bar potential at ground level to take advantage of the canal basin to add seating and improve security around here.

Similarly the lack of space at ground level around the building seems greedy. Surely the "king of the cantilever" could have made some more room?

Some token trees would at least recognised the environmental destruction of the current green space there and soften pedestrian routes.

A few more images now on Simpson’s website showing the full weirdness of the glass sections from differing angles here:

http://www.iansimpsonarchitects.com/...tariff-street/

There are bits of a reasonable design here for Picadilly Basin (certainly an improvement on the Basha Apartments, Premier Inn and the BDP Architects given the "Conservation Zone" status of the area) but it's a shame it will be located in this exact location. However, I don't expect much opposition from within MCC and I guess this is what we will get.
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