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Old October 7th, 2014, 03:31 PM   #1
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Local Blackfriars | Trinity Way / Blackfriars Rd | 54/42m | 17/13 fl | U/C



Applicant: FICM Ltd - Fred Done

Architect: 5Plus

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14/65407/FUL

Land Bounded By Trinity Way, Blackfriars Road, Bury Street And Garden Lane Salford



Demolition of existing buildings with the exception of the former Black Friar public house and erection of two buildings (ground plus 12 storeys and ground plus 16 storeys) comprising 380 residential units (Use Class C3) and 889 sqm commercial space (Use Classes A1, A2, A3, A4, A5, B1, D1 and D2); ancillary basement providing space for refuse, cycle parking, car parking, plant and core; change of use of the vacant former Black Friar public house to accommodate offices, management suite and other ancillary functions; associated access, car parking, public realm and other associated works.
134 x 1 bed, 239 x 2 bed, 7 x 3 bed, 900 sq m commercial.

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1. The structural grid will be clad in a precast concrete panel in a medium ‘basalt’ grey. The concrete will have a polished for longevity.

2. The infill panels will be glazed terracotta cladding or glazed brick slips in a stack bonded pattern

3. The ground and first floor walls and infill panels will be a buff brick

4. The louvres will be a dark bronze coloured metal.

5. The balconies will be dark grey PPC aluminium panels with a mix of solid metal and glazed balustrades.

6. The windows will be made from a dark grey PPC aluminium frame.

7. The commercial units will be clad in a curtain walling system,

The top storey will be clad in a flush curtain walling system with infill insulated panels with a bronze
louvre system. (Not illustrated)

The roof of Block 1 and Block 2 will be mid to dark grey single ply membrane, (Not illustrated)

The roof to the commercial pavilion fronting Blackfriars Road will be a green planted roof. (Not illustrated).
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A shared garden will be located between the two blocks offering private amenity.

A public square open during the day and closed at night is provided behind the Black Friar Public House.


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Old October 7th, 2014, 04:42 PM   #2
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Is the Blackfriars pub listed?
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Old October 7th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #3
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Yes, grade II.
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On the corner of Blackfriars Road and Trinity Way stands the grade II listed building of the Black Friar Public House. Dated 1886, it was a purpose built beer house and described in the HER as ‘a plain but attractive brick built corner public house’.

The pub is empty and unused and in a state of disrepair. Many of the original internal features have been removed.

The proposed scheme would seek to refurbish and reuse this heritage asset. The pub would be brought within the proposed developments boundary and used as a gateway to the scheme and contain the building management offices [and] communal facilities.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #4
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Is it now fashionable for apartment buildings to look like 1970s council flats?

The Renaker Castlefield development and this are like a timewarp.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 06:22 PM   #5
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Well, at least they're consistent with Spectrum further along the street
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Old October 7th, 2014, 07:02 PM   #6
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It's known as value property development and Architecture.

Otherwise, it's exactly the same format pre-economic/property recession.

We've already come full cycle, and the latest cycle has hardly begun.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 08:57 PM   #7
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Completely unsympathetic relationship to the pub.

Also a really poor relationship to Blackfriars Road. One of the main differences between this scheme (by 5plus) and the one opposite (by OMI) is that the latter provides enclosure and animates Blackfriars Road very effectively despite the main bulk of the scheme being perpendicular to the road. This is a vastly poorer scheme.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 09:31 PM   #8
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Bit of planning history. This was the last scheme for the site, back in 2005/6, architect: Stephenson Bell. 121 apartments.





05/50338/FUL & 06/52599/FUL

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Old October 7th, 2014, 10:24 PM   #9
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My esteemed review: "Dog Shit".
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Old October 7th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #10
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But better than the derelict dog shit that is there now
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Old October 7th, 2014, 10:46 PM   #11
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When you dog can shit over a large area you are thankful when you only need to bag a large single dollop. However, it is still shit and really it is just semantics.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 11:00 AM   #12
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I'm shocked at how bad this is.
Compare with the older proposal and ask yourself which urban environment you would prefer to live in.

The older one looks like a familiar but renovated Manchester, this new one looks like the former Soviet Union.
Such potential in Salford but I fear they're already throwing away their chance in a lifetime.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 12:26 PM   #13
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The developer is Fred Done.

Enough said.
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Old October 8th, 2014, 12:59 PM   #14
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This one of the worst proposals I've ever seen. Disgraceful
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Old October 8th, 2014, 01:41 PM   #15
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I've seen worse guys, I'm just saying...I don't like that old proposal the building behind the pub looks like a real stinker and although this new lot are a bit high rise council-ish there looks to be a decent mix of materials and I like the double height glazed lobby, like I say I've seen worse.
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This will be granted built n sell out quickly.
Shame it looks so standard.
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5Plus are usually pretty good so I'm surprised at the design of this. My only concern is the "nastiness" of the ends. They are so harsh! No thought has been given to the red brick surrounding let alone the pub. I much prefer the Stephenson proposal.
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This one of the worst proposals I've ever seen. Disgraceful
It really is awful. I cannot believe that we're seeing proposals this poor any more.
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No thought has been given to the red brick surrounding let alone the pub. I much prefer the Stephenson proposal.
Yep, its the latest tactic of putting a weird filter on the renders to distort the colours. Made the building next to St Stephen's on Chapel Street look a lot better too.
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It's laugh out loud bad. Like if someone on this forum had made a parody of a shit proposal.

Stuff like this makes me sad that Manchester/Salford is nowhere near as forward thinking and non-provincial as I want it to be.
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