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Old October 11th, 2014, 05:26 AM   #1
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PROJECT | Katrinebjerg Blokkene | 19-51 m | 3-14 fl | U/C

KATRINEBJERG BLOKKENE
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Use: 7 residential towerblocks with 315 youth apartments. Hight range from 3-3-4-8-9-13-14 floors. 19-19-22,5-31,5-35-47,5-51 m.
Total sqm: 24.000.
Architect: Schmidt Hammer Lassen.
Developer: Olav de Linde.
Status: Proposed. Construction should start 2016 and be completet 2017 (first move in).


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Katrinebjerg-højhuse i strid modvind fra naboerne:

http://stiften.dk/aarhus/katrinebjer...-strid-modvind
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Old October 21st, 2014, 12:14 PM   #3
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In every meeting most of us have ever attended about politics, communities
and building communities - It is always stressed that society begins
in families and societies. That people want a good base -
a place for kids to play, to interact between generations,
build bonds etc. They want cafe's, gyms, recreational areas etc.
People don't want just to be "worker-drones" that
are bossed around on the job, and come home to some
crime-infested area, gray in gray. The visuals are really important
here as people gradually become what they experience.
Sure, in Amager you could build such a large "worker-drone" area,
but there was no existing community. And, still, the expectancy is that
as soon as there are social problems, such areas descend into
a Ghetto (think Gellerup).

So, what on earth was Schmidt Hammer Lassen architects thinking here?

Peoples comments to their project is so obvious that it hurts:
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»Det kan jo næsten kun blive bedre end det, der er der i dag. Men når man bygger nyt, kunne vi godt tænke os, at man gør mere ud af bygningernes udtryk. De ser jo ikke ligefrem innovative ud. Man kunne for eksempel arbejde mere med det grønne element og lave grønne vægge og tage.«
Spot on. Why can't the people behind this project see it, and why can't the municipality see it.
What kind of people are they trying to attract with such environments,
single moms with 3 kids and no time to think about anything other
than just surviving the day, plus the occasional drug dealer to
sell drugs to her kid?

The height is an obvious issue in existing neighborhoods.
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»I vores øjne er højden på byggeriet en udfordring. Selvfølgelig må man regne med, at der bliver bygget højt, når man bor i byen, men der er en særlig udfordring med altanerne, der giver indkig i haverne på den anden side af Katrinebjergvej og forstyrrer roen der,« siger fællesrådets formand, Heidi Printzen Christensen.
In some other design, and by pointing balconies in "non-controversial" directions the height issue could probably have been avoided.
But together with the color-scheme neighbors will obviously hate
the project.
And it just makes the head spin that the project owners
couldn't foresee it or doesn't care.

The last comment could very well kill the project in it current
form...
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»Jeg har sjældent i nyere tid set et værre eksempel på kedeligt og uinspirerende byggeri. Jeg forestillede mig, at byggestilen og eventuelt farvevalget skulle være innovativt og spændende, noget der kunne ses på afstand og være et flot varemærke for området. I stedet præsenterer I os for noget, der ligner kedeligt byggeri fra 1960’erne,« hedder det i en kommentar fra en borger, der bestemt ikke er imponeret over facaderne i grålige teglsten med hvide felter omkring vinduerne.
But, ok - It will be very interesting to see what happens next.
Hopefully, there will be some "re-think" in this project.
300 apartments and 150 parking spots says a lot about the ideas behind
this that could well benefit from some outside input.

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Old October 21st, 2014, 02:33 PM   #4
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It is very rare that highrise projects in Aarhus runs into trouble about high issues these days, but Aarhus needs the apartments and the municipality will properly hold on to the current height of the tallest buildings (13-14 floors) which are located farthest away of the villaes. Perhaps the two buildings in the middle of the project (8-9 floors) will loose one or two floors. But overall the height will be the same in order to get as many apartments in the project.

About the number of parking spots some might think 158 are far to few to 315 apartments, but keep in mind that this project are ment as youth housing and therefore 158 parking lots are more than enough. In edition there will be 630 bicycle parking spaces.

This will properly end with a project where only the two middle buildings are going to loose one floor each and some redesigning of the facade.
So all i all, this project are in no trouble at all. The municipality needs the apartments to fulfill the demand from the increasing population, especially regarding youth housing where the municipality are committed to build 2,500 youth housing before 2016 ends.

http://www.aarhus.dk/da/omkommunen/nyheder/2014/August/Aarhus-bygger-2-500-ungdomsboliger.aspx

But hopefully the project will get some redesigning of the facade.
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Old August 31st, 2015, 10:52 AM   #5
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As exspected the two Buildings in the middle of the project are redused in height, from 8-9 floors to 6. In the meanwhile the two highrises, originally 14-13 floors will now both contain 14 floors. The whole project are now upgraded from 315 to 400 youth apartments.

Construction start (the two highrises) are expected in the spring 2016.

http://stiften.dk/aarhus/masser-af-s...ellevangs-alle
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Old August 31st, 2015, 11:06 PM   #6
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As exspected the two Buildings in the middle of the project are redused in height, from 8-9 floors to 6.
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Planerne har været i en offentlig forhøring og er nu blevet rettet til i forhold til nogle af de indsigelser, der kom ind fra beboere i villakvarteret på den anden side af Katrinebjergvej. Blandt andet er bygningerne på den midterste del af grunden skåret ned fra otte-ni etager til seks.
"indsigelser" - That is funny, a guy a know in the area told me it was more like "revolution" and "open revolt" in the area back in the spring? But now it is just full speed ahead ?
People in the area where convinced that house prices would go down as a result of these blocks? Any news about that?
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Old September 1st, 2015, 08:26 AM   #7
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Der er flere problemer med detteher projekt - jeg synes det er glædeligt med flere boliger - men for helvede hvor er disse her absurd grimme. Gråt i gråt med indskudte hvide altaner (i beton, 10 point for originalitet): Depraveret arkitektur, som kun kan producere og tiltrække depraverede mennesker. Måske er mængden af funktionalistisk fejlslagen arkitektur konstant? Der rives et par blokke ned i Gellerup, hvorefter der fluks skal opføres et par evolutionært beslægtede typer andetsteds. Jeg kan godt forstå at folk har gjort indsigelser, det ville jeg også have gjort hvis jeg boede i nærheden. Noget helt andet er, at man vil bygge punkthuse. Denne fraktur-arkitektur er at opfatte som en uskik - det skaber et sted hvor folk K U N kan bo. Hvorfor ikke bygge ud til vejen? Hvorfor ikke tillade placeringen af andre funktioner end bolig indenfor området? Så laver man en række grønne områder indeni området, men hvem er det som kommer til at bruge disse? Ingen. Danskere vil kun ses på fortovscaféer. Problemet med åben arkitektur her til lands, er netop at det strider med vores tryghedsbehov. Hvor mange grønne plæner i forskellige boligbyggerier bruges til andet end græsslåning med jævnt overdrevne maskiner? Gårdrum, mere lukkede indre miljøer - det er hvad jeg savner ved dette byggeri.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 12:06 PM   #8
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Couldn't agree more.

http://jyllands-posten.dk/aarhus/ECE...er+hele+byen+/


Some of the renderings looks sort of ok, but it wont work, unless they do some of the things that you suggest.
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Old September 1st, 2015, 12:15 PM   #9
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»Vi har i forvejen rigeligt med trafikale udfordringer. I fællesrådet har vi i allerede meget fokus på de trafikale udfordringer, som lukningen af adgangen til Langelandsgade fra Randersvej har givet Christiansbjerg,« siger Heidi Printzen Christensen.


Om selve det planlagte byggeri siger hun:
»Det kan jo næsten kun blive bedre end det, der er der i dag. Men når man bygger nyt, kunne vi godt tænke os, at man gør mere ud af bygningernes udtryk. De ser jo ikke ligefrem innovative ud. Man kunne for eksempel arbejde mere med det grønne element og lave grønne vægge og tage.«


Kritikken af bygningernes udtryk går igen i udtalelser fra fællesrådet:

»Jeg har sjældent i nyere tid set et værre eksempel på kedeligt og uinspirerende byggeri. Jeg forestillede mig, at byggestilen og eventuelt farvevalget skulle være innovativt og spændende, noget der kunne ses på afstand og være et flot varemærke for området. I stedet præsenterer I os for noget, der ligner kedeligt byggeri fra 1960’erne,« hedder det i en kommentar fra en borger, der bestemt ikke er imponeret over facaderne i grålige teglsten med hvide felter omkring vinduerne.
But they are just pressing on, despite of what everyone says ?
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When you look at architectural pages we always see something exciting like this:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...two-years.html

So, it is rather interesting how we can end up with the other designs.
Would it really be impossible to incorporate "exciting" elements in a standard block like the ones we see here without ruining the budget ?
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Old November 26th, 2015, 11:00 PM   #11
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The project are closer to be realized. The height are now 2 x 14 floor, 51 m.

http://www.aarhus.dk/da/politik/Magi...paa-Moell.aspx
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http://jyllands-posten.dk/aarhus/ECE...ager-til-seks/

The height is now reduced after 100 protests.

Originally the height was 51 meters. Now it is 50.

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Bygningerne, der nu består af to højhuse og fem punkthuse, målte i den oprindelige indstilling 51 meter og stred dermed imod Aarhus Kommunes højhuspolitik med nøjagtigt en meter. De er nu blevet reduceret til 50 meter.
Wonder if the neighbors feels that is a big victory?

But buildings in the "buffer zone" are reduced from 9 to 6 floors.

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De af bygningerne, der ligger inden for den såkaldte ”bufferzone” – hvor der ikke må opføres bygninger over seks etager – ville Olav de Linde lade måle 19 meter, altså ni etager.I den nye indstilling er det blevet forkortet til at måle seks etager i stedet. På magistratsmødet den 30. november blev indstillingen sendt af sted til byrådet med en anbefaling om at godkende byggeriet.
The construction company have also listened to the criticism - and now promises that there will be more greenery around the buildings.
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Olav de Linde, der står bag byggeselskabet af samme navn, tror fortsat på, at det planlagte byggeri kommer til at være til glæde for naboer og genboer, når først det bliver opført. Også selv om det i den første nabohøring modtog en del kritik.
I den nye indstilling har han forsøgt at lytte til kritikken, ikke bare med hensyn til højden, men også med hensyn til forskønnelse.
»Vi har gjort meget ud af, at der skal være grønt omkring byggeriet, så de nye bygninger kan blive gjort til at naturlig forlængelse af bydelen frem for den industrimur, der ligger der nu. Jeg håber, at folk kan se byggeriet som en væsentlig forbedring for området. Både vi og vores arkitekter synes, det er et flot byggeri – og det er vi sikre på, at omgivelserne også vil synes, når først bygningerne står færdige,« siger han.
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Approved!

https://www.aarhus.dk/da/politik/Byr...edet-live.aspx
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A couple of new renderings

http://www.kpf.dk/projekter/katrinebjerg/





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Construction has started officially. First phase are 272 apartments in the two 14 floor highrises and a 6 floor building.

The name of the project are now "Nærheden"

http://stiften.dk/aarhus/naerheden-f...er-i-14-etager
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Construction has started officially. First phase are 272 apartments in the two 14 floor highrises and a 6 floor building.

The name of the project are now "Nærheden"
Should the name of the thread not be changed? :-)
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»Med byens eksplosive udvikling er området blevet et meget centralt sted. Her er man tæt på Universitetet, indkøb og byen – ting som alle er lige i nærheden. Det er vores ambition og håb, at vi for eksempel også via gode grønne fællesarealer kan skabe nærhed i bebyggelse, så beboerne oplever, at de har en tryg hjemmebase. Deraf navnet. Og så er det jo faktisk også ret sjovt at kunne sige – jeg bor i Nærheden,« siger Olav de Linde.




Are the other buildings going to remain as seen here, you kind of wonder.
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It will be interesting to see how this turns out.
Many of the drawings looks very gray and box-like.

And it takes so little to make something a little bit more exciting.

In Odense the new campus is just completed.
And I think it looks both classic, and "timeless" and yet with a small
twist into something a little different. Something that turns it into
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The completed campus college by CF Møller.




The size of these buildings appears to be about simiilar,
which makes you wonder if there is a price difference in the materials?
If not, then it appears to me that a little imagination in itself can improve a building tremendously - taking it away from the "box" look and feel.
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http://www.cfmoller.com/g/Haeder-til...se-i16603.html

The Odense Campus has a price tag of 385 million and covers 15900 m², with 250 homes.
It doesn't say here what these buildings cost, but I guess it will be pretty similar ???
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http://www.building-supply.dk/articl...s#.V3ZcFaJnX5w

Back in 2014 they said it would cost
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24.000 m² og løber op i anslået 460-475 millioner kroner.
or 19.166 per m². Whereas the Odense project cost 24.213 m².

Which makes me wonder - Is that really it? You can't escape that box look and feel if you don't pay people to have a little imagination? Imagination really cost?
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