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Old August 26th, 2015, 01:14 PM   #1
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2 & 3 Angel Square | NOMA | 13/11 fl | App

Architects: AHR

Developer: Hermes

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109865/FO/2015/N1 | Erection of a part 10 / part 11 storey, and a part 12 / part 13 storey building with plant rooms above to form a mixed use development comprising Class B1 office use (maximum of 49,622sqm) and commercial units maximum of 1,591sqm (Use Classes A1, A2, A3, B1 and D1) along with associated basement car parking, hard and soft landscaping and associated works, including the creation of a new pedestrian route between Angel Street and Miller Street | Nos 2 And 3 Angel Square Ancoats Manchester M4 4FW
2 & 3 Angel Square - 145,000 sq ft and 250,000 sq ft respectively.

They've removed the curved aspect on 3 Angel Square

Love this view







I'm a little underwhelmed I must admit.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 02:14 PM   #2
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Agreed. I like the size of the blocks but they are a little underwhelming visually.

Perhaps the idea is for these two buildings to play second fiddle to the Co-op Head Office in terms of architectural merit so as not to detract from it.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 02:28 PM   #3
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That same thought had occurred to me
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Is the tall building the next one to be proposed?
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Old August 26th, 2015, 04:26 PM   #5
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Thats Angel Gardens, due on site in September. Prep works already started.

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Old August 26th, 2015, 04:53 PM   #6
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2 Angel looks good enough, like a mini One St Peter's Square.

However I don't rate 3 Angel Sq. from an aesthetic point of view. It seems a bit unsymmetrical and squat for it's floor-plate size. I would have thought as they'd need to hit over £25 a sq foot for this in rental returns, they'd add a bit of wow factor that a top end client would be looking for in an iconic head office.

NB I reckon on 3 Angel Sq. the architects have tried to give a nod to the CIS building but that kind of fine graph paper metal edging with glass works much better on skyscrapers than on floorscrapers like this one.

PS I think the stairs suck. There should have been more contouring with a non stair route for disabled/cyclists/prams etc. It's reminiscent of a larger version of the Spinningfields stairs that cut off a lot of footfall away from the Deansgate end by acting as a psychological barrier. Plus there appears to be a glass lift like Spinningfields which I'd predict will permanently stop working after the first month.
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Old August 26th, 2015, 06:30 PM   #7
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Definitely a bit of a nod to the CIS I think and a continuation of those 'pergola' roof/top floor types that are currently everywhere (and I do like).
That landscaping (with the turbines) looks a bit scruffy/patchy in one or two of those renders mind.
With the HQ and the Angels Gardens tower (really like!), I guess they don't need to be anything other than a quiet reserved quality (although I can't quite make my mind up about them).
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PS I think the stairs suck. There should have been more contouring with a non stair route for disabled/cyclists/prams etc. It's reminiscent of a larger version of the Spinningfields stairs that cut off a lot of footfall away from the Deansgate end by acting as a psychological barrier. Plus there appears to be a glass lift like Spinningfields which I'd predict will permanently stop working after the first month.
The guy with the bike in the image even looks a bit peeved.
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48.5m + 55m

The heights are 48.5m and 55m tall! Fairly decent sized fillers and will add to the overall density creating a large scale environment with the towers!

I have nothing wrong with the designs, and tbf I think these will date less! Simple, but classy with some slight vertical factor to them

I think these buildings will add some warmth to the area rather than some of the fancy cladded buildings which would make the area feel 'alienated'

Simply put, I think it's a nice development which will help to expand the city in a more natural way! Looking forward to it

I also really like the stairs and landscaping with the use of the layers





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Old August 26th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #10
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They've removed the curved aspect on 3 Angel Square
I knew they'd do this.

Every building value-engineered within an inch of its life.
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Old August 27th, 2015, 12:41 AM   #11
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So, just to clarify.. We've gone from this...



...to this?



That is a real shame if so.
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In my opinion, the previous proposal looks more attractive in its own right but the new proposal looks better when viewed as part of the wider NOMA development. Their sharper appearance contrasts well with the rounder Head Office.
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I prefer the new designs. Simple, classy, modernist, and an appropriate background act to the attention grabber that is the Coop.
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I like em both.
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I knew they'd do this.

Every building value-engineered within an inch of its life.
Yep. Except in parts of central London!
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Old August 27th, 2015, 01:59 PM   #16
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don't like the materials or look of these new proposals but I like the way they sit in the context of the overall plans. I never thought the curved side on Great Ancoats st was right to be honest. A clean and continuous line of buildings along Great Ancoats street is what it needs with buildings of a 'proper' height too.

I also like the lazy triangular shape of the larger building, guiding footfall across Great Ancoats St onto the 'town' side.
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I assume you mean Miller Street and not Great Ancoats Street. I was surprised myself to see it part of the Ancoats ward
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I assume you mean Miller Street and not Great Ancoats Street. I was surprised myself to see it part of the Ancoats ward
hadn't realised it changed it's name. I always referred to it as Great Ancoats Street for the whole length of the road!
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Great Ancoats St, then Swann St from Oldham Rd then Miller St down to Ducie Bridge
My old stomping ground when at Co-op, sadly Ducie Bridge pub going is end of era
many happy hours in there including my first date with my wife when we used to go for a drink at lunchtime.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 01:51 PM   #20
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Place Northwest playing catchup

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Approval sought for 350,000 sq ft NOMA offices

16 Oct 2015, 11:28
The Co-operative Group and Hermes Real Estate have lodged a planning application for the development of 350,000 sq ft of offices, as part of the second phase of the 20-acre NOMA development in Manchester.

Split over two blocks, 2 and 3 Angel Square, the offices will be built next to the Co-operative Group’s headquarters at 1 Angel Square.

Both buildings were designed by AHR Architects, and are nine-storeys and 11-storeys high.

They will both feature large atriums and will have the flexibility to be personalised to fit occupier requirements.

The application will be considered later this year, with completion expected in late 2018, subject to approval.

The NOMA joint venture partners said they “believe Manchester’s office market is looking especially attractive in the light of soaring rents across London and unaffordable housing costs making it harder to recruit and retain staff”.

David Pringle, director of NOMA at the Co-operative Group, said: “This new build element of NOMA offers a contrast to the post-industrial splendour of our listed buildings. We want the whole neighbourhood to be totally cohesive in design terms and 2 and 3 Angel Square will broaden our offer for those businesses who want a more traditional modern office than some of the quirkier reconfigurations we have planned.”

Colliers International is the agent for 2 and 3 Angel Square.
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