#16 on Bree - 35F (131m) - Mixed Use - CBD | Under Construction

***Lydon*** · September 23rd, 2016, 03:41 PM

EDIT: updated render and info.

16onBree

16onBree is a 35 storey retail and residential development planned for the site bounded by Bree, Riebeek and Mechau Streets with a sectional title area of 21 000 m². This development came with its challenges through the retention of certain heritage assets which had to be retained in façade terms only. This development to be launched in early 2017 on FWJK’s cost methodology is expected to sell out fast and will also be launched on Wealth Migrate’s crowd funding platform. Construction is expected to commence in April 2017 and will be complete by December 2019.

Source: FWJK

Older design:

Original concept:

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Urban Rambler · September 23rd, 2016, 04:09 PM

These guys are cooking with gas.

BadgerCT · September 23rd, 2016, 05:28 PM

Darn now I have to change my pants

annman · September 24th, 2016, 01:03 AM

I'm getting a little worried we're seeing so many proposals from one company, all is succession. I'm getting concerned their having a corporate wet dream in design, and some projects may be far-fetched.

I'd prefer it not be so.

PS. That background of the moon and the Hazards Mountains of Tasmania-like behind the buildings... now that's worst than the Zero2One's plane.

JulianL · September 24th, 2016, 02:12 AM

Beaty is in the eye of the beholder but I'm just not really connecting with this one. It feels all a bit too retro "Robbie the robot" era sci fi to me. The way the main tower sits on the curved house on the bottom right also grates a bit to my eyes. Is that a heritage building that needs to be retained or a deliberate design feature?

Just my opinion, and ultimately I'll be delighted if both halves of the block do get developed.

- Julian

Urbanite_ · September 24th, 2016, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annman

I'm getting a little worried we're seeing so many proposals from one company, all is succession. I'm getting concerned their having a corporate wet dream in design, and some projects may be far-fetched.

I'd prefer it not be so.

PS. That background of the moon and the Hazards Mountains of Tasmania-like behind the buildings... now that's worst than the Zero2One's plane.

Hahahahah preach!

***Lydon*** · September 24th, 2016, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by annman

I'm getting a little worried we're seeing so many proposals from one company, all is succession. I'm getting concerned their having a corporate wet dream in design, and some projects may be far-fetched.

I'd prefer it not be so.

PS. That background of the moon and the Hazards Mountains of Tasmania-like behind the buildings... now that's worst than the Zero2One's plane.

I don't get that impression. I doubt they'd spend their time/resources developing concepts for sites they have no hope of developing.

Touchstone House has been completed, KPMG is under construction, 4 Loop's redevelopment is under way and zero2one is currently launching. They linked to the Cape Town Magazine article on their Facebook page and they're having that feature in Architect & Builder Magazine next month, so they're starting to make proper noise about it.

Goldies seemed to be far along in the process, but someone mentioned they had issues with the owners of the site and were looking at developing the other half in the mean time, which is this.

There isn't really anything else they've made noise about and not gone ahead with, is there?

annman · September 24th, 2016, 06:40 PM

I appreciate the update and the optimism, as I do hope Cape Town remains 'full steam ahead'. Judging by WESGRO's remarks, the Western Cape is really outdoing itself in light of SA's overall stagnant economic climate, and attracting lots of investment.

adesan · September 26th, 2016, 09:13 AM

The one thing I like about FWJK is that they get tower cranes up in the City unlike a lot of other developers who are hot air more often than not. I counted their construction sites and it appears that they will have about 9 tower cranes up in the City by the end of the year. With Goldies, 16 On Bree and Zero 2 One Tower it could be another 6 hopefully. Must be a record for a single developer...

Gerald Lewis · October 4th, 2016, 01:57 PM

The car electrician who occupies the heritage building is moving out end of the year for the new development. So hopefully it will start next year....

Milegy · October 7th, 2016, 07:19 PM

The fact that the render has Goldies in the background gives me hope that Goldies will happen. Anybody got any news on what's actually happening/happened with Goldies? Zero2one steamed ahead to "due to launch" status while Goldies didn't ever get there as far as I know. But I agree with Lydon, these guys don't seem to mess around. I've heard they've expanded their Cape Town office staffcount in Bree Street drastically from like 5 to over 30 in around 3 years.

Urban Rambler · October 7th, 2016, 07:46 PM

From what I hear, Goldies is being held up by the owner of site.

***Lydon*** · November 28th, 2016, 12:50 PM

So this is now 34F, not 28F. Complete design overhaul as well:

16onBree is a 35 storey retail and residential development planned for the site bounded by Bree, Riebeek and Mechau Streets with a sectional title area of 21 000 m². This development came with its challenges through the retention of certain heritage assets which had to be retained in façade terms only. This development to be launched in early 2017 on FWJK’s cost methodology is expected to sell out fast and will also be launched on Wealth Migrate’s crowd funding platform. Construction is expected to commence in April 2017 and will be complete by December 2019.

Citywalker_CT · November 28th, 2016, 01:00 PM

Whoah...loving the redesign!

JulianL · November 28th, 2016, 01:53 PM

Definitely like the new design way, way more than the old one. Let's hope this goes ahead because it looks great and would add a lot of extra life and footfall to CBD with all that extra sectional title space.

- Julian

Mark Schonrock · November 30th, 2016, 12:22 PM

I think we are now getting close to 3000+ new apartments going to be released onto the market in the next few years in the greater CBD area!! It is crazy!!

Marsupalami · November 30th, 2016, 01:07 PM

Nearest supermarket for these guys and Zero Two One?
- the PnP on Strand St, or are there others?

***Lydon*** · November 30th, 2016, 01:13 PM

Yep, Spar at Cape Quarter too.

Citywalker_CT · November 30th, 2016, 01:14 PM

PnP Strand street brings out the worst in me. Most horrendous %$#&* place ever.

I really hope the CBD gets a proper supermarket in the next while. The closest one that's on par is the Spar at Cape Quarter. And I'm no snob.

Marsupalami · November 30th, 2016, 01:22 PM

Hmm, overcrouded I bet!

Does the old post office complex on Adderley have a Checkers/Shoprite or is there just a Game?
Also, Strand St Woolies - they have a decent food mart or no?

Come to think of it this very building - 16 Bree could house a decent Woolworths Food.
Lots of towers and hotels in immediate area, not to mention the apartment dwellers.

October 7th, 2016, 07:46 PM	#12
Urban Rambler The man in the street Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Cape Town Posts: 960 Likes (Received): 191	From what I hear, Goldies is being held up by the owner of site. Last edited by Urban Rambler; October 8th, 2016 at 09:58 PM.

November 28th, 2016, 01:00 PM	#14
Citywalker_CT C A P E T O W N Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cape Town Posts: 2,653 Likes (Received): 1865	Whoah...loving the redesign! __________________ Citywalker. Urban optimist. Inner city dweller. Just a regular guy absolutely petrified of suburbia. ________________________________ My Flickr: https://tinyurl.com/y74syw8f

November 30th, 2016, 01:13 PM	#18
*Lydon* Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cape Town Posts: 22,914 Likes (Received): 5905	Yep, Spar at Cape Quarter too. __________________ CAPE TOWN

November 30th, 2016, 01:14 PM	#19
Citywalker_CT C A P E T O W N Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cape Town Posts: 2,653 Likes (Received): 1865	PnP Strand street brings out the worst in me. Most horrendous %$#&* place ever. I really hope the CBD gets a proper supermarket in the next while. The closest one that's on par is the Spar at Cape Quarter. And I'm no snob. __________________ Citywalker. Urban optimist. Inner city dweller. Just a regular guy absolutely petrified of suburbia. ________________________________ My Flickr: https://tinyurl.com/y74syw8f

September 23rd, 2016, 04:09 PM	#2
Urban Rambler The man in the street Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Cape Town Posts: 960 Likes (Received): 191	These guys are cooking with gas.

September 23rd, 2016, 05:28 PM	#3
BadgerCT Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 168 Likes (Received): 187	Darn now I have to change my pants

September 24th, 2016, 02:12 AM	#5
JulianL Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: London / Cape Town Posts: 599 Likes (Received): 168	Beaty is in the eye of the beholder but I'm just not really connecting with this one. It feels all a bit too retro "Robbie the robot" era sci fi to me. The way the main tower sits on the curved house on the bottom right also grates a bit to my eyes. Is that a heritage building that needs to be retained or a deliberate design feature? Just my opinion, and ultimately I'll be delighted if both halves of the block do get developed. - Julian

September 24th, 2016, 06:40 PM	#8
annman Annman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cape Town (home), Seattle (reside) Posts: 6,600 Likes (Received): 457	I appreciate the update and the optimism, as I do hope Cape Town remains 'full steam ahead'. Judging by WESGRO's remarks, the Western Cape is really outdoing itself in light of SA's overall stagnant economic climate, and attracting lots of investment.

September 26th, 2016, 09:13 AM	#9
adesan Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 16 Likes (Received): 1	The one thing I like about FWJK is that they get tower cranes up in the City unlike a lot of other developers who are hot air more often than not. I counted their construction sites and it appears that they will have about 9 tower cranes up in the City by the end of the year. With Goldies, 16 On Bree and Zero 2 One Tower it could be another 6 hopefully. Must be a record for a single developer...

October 4th, 2016, 01:57 PM	#10
Gerald Lewis Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Cape Town Posts: 1,655 Likes (Received): 1069	The car electrician who occupies the heritage building is moving out end of the year for the new development. So hopefully it will start next year....

October 7th, 2016, 07:19 PM	#11
Milegy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 147 Likes (Received): 213	The fact that the render has Goldies in the background gives me hope that Goldies will happen. Anybody got any news on what's actually happening/happened with Goldies? Zero2one steamed ahead to "due to launch" status while Goldies didn't ever get there as far as I know. But I agree with Lydon, these guys don't seem to mess around. I've heard they've expanded their Cape Town office staffcount in Bree Street drastically from like 5 to over 30 in around 3 years.

November 28th, 2016, 01:53 PM	#15
JulianL Registered User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: London / Cape Town Posts: 599 Likes (Received): 168	Definitely like the new design way, way more than the old one. Let's hope this goes ahead because it looks great and would add a lot of extra life and footfall to CBD with all that extra sectional title space. - Julian

November 30th, 2016, 12:22 PM	#16
Mark Schonrock The Sky's the Limit Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Cape Town Posts: 757 Likes (Received): 109	I think we are now getting close to 3000+ new apartments going to be released onto the market in the next few years in the greater CBD area!! It is crazy!!

November 30th, 2016, 01:07 PM	#17
Marsupalami Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cape Town/ Edinburgh/ Melbourne/ Auckland Posts: 3,974 Likes (Received): 720	Nearest supermarket for these guys and Zero Two One? - the PnP on Strand St, or are there others?

November 30th, 2016, 01:22 PM	#20
Marsupalami Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Cape Town/ Edinburgh/ Melbourne/ Auckland Posts: 3,974 Likes (Received): 720	Hmm, overcrouded I bet! Does the old post office complex on Adderley have a Checkers/Shoprite or is there just a Game? Also, Strand St Woolies - they have a decent food mart or no? Come to think of it this very building - 16 Bree could house a decent Woolworths Food. Lots of towers and hotels in immediate area, not to mention the apartment dwellers.