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Old November 5th, 2016, 06:04 PM   #1
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SYNQ | Tib St | 10/9 fl | U/C

Developer: Tibst Ltd (Fred Done)

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114146/FO/2016 | Redevelopment of the site for a residential building (Class C3) with ground floor commercial uses (Class A1, A2, A3, A4, B1, D1, D2) varying in height from 9 to 10 storeys to provide 183 apartments (56 x 1 bed, 125 x 2 bed and 2 x 3 bed) with associated landscaping and other works following demolition of existing structure and artwork at junction of Tib Street and Church Street | Surface Level Car Park Site Bounded By Tib Street, Church Street, Joiner Street And Bridgewater Place Manchester
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Old November 5th, 2016, 06:34 PM   #2
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I think it's called Citu NQ Andrew - want me to request a change of thread name?
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Old November 5th, 2016, 07:31 PM   #3
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This is a serious scheme. Sandstone and granite will be quality.
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Please make the windows line up. Staggered windows don't chime with the nearby buildings, don't make for a pleasant facade, and are a sign of an architect who doesn't trust simplicity.

I like the idea of red sandstone, but not so keen on the black granite. I would prefer dark/black metal or terracotta, similar to 38 High Street.

Other than that, I like it.
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Old November 5th, 2016, 08:06 PM   #5
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...and are a sign of an architect who doesn't trust simplicity...


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Old November 5th, 2016, 08:23 PM   #6
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Well, it's true. Windows arranged in regular rows and columns might look like the architect's hardly done any work, but it's much better than faffing around for no end. Sure, if they want to introduce some kind of grouping or hierarchy, then do so and the facade may benefit. But staggering is what, exactly?

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...staggered vertical fenestration which provides a contemporary interpretation of the regular grid facades of adjacent buildings.
So the modern interpretation of a regular grid is an irregular grid? Christ, give me strength.
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Old November 5th, 2016, 09:02 PM   #7
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I'm a fan of the Granite. I actually agree that it would look better without the staggered windows but it's still a good solid building.
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So, when are we starting a "Friends of the Horn" pressure group?
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Old November 7th, 2016, 03:21 PM   #9
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The horn will be saved and put into storage.
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Old November 7th, 2016, 06:15 PM   #10
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The horn will be saved and put into storage.
Yes, the very same storage I place my kids 'Arts and Crafts' school projects.

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Old November 7th, 2016, 07:43 PM   #11
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You know what, I thought the granite some more, and looked at a few buildings with the same or similar material, and I'm sure it will be great. (But, you know, I really love metal.)
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Old November 7th, 2016, 10:31 PM   #12
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Could always put the horn on the roof top corner of this new build? So it'd be like the horn never moved but just moved up a few stories.
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Could always put the horn on the roof top corner of this new build? So it'd be like the horn never moved but just moved up a few stories.
I did a visualization. The scale may need a little adjustment.

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Old November 8th, 2016, 10:59 AM   #15
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No but quite seriously, the corner should be kept , shows what was there before, buildings rising up from thet remains of what was there before, and it's a pretty important part of the NQs regeneration story/identity and a focal point, a pretty big loss of art for a small amount of lost space from pulling the corner back a bit to save it, and what's the point in storing it exactly, once it's removed from its original site it loses all significance of what it represents, but hey, it's Fred done after all, and only money talks to him, knows the price of everything but the value of nothing. I like what is proposed don't get me wrong, but the importance of the art piece is far higher than the small amount of space it takes up. And we all know what 'storage' means I.e b of the bang.
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hate this building and feel like it impedes on the vibe of the northern quarter
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hate this building and feel like it impedes on the vibe of the northern quarter
Much rather have this vibe than surface car park vibe though

I see what you're saying though - there are a few newbuilds starting to go up in the NQ at the moment and I can't shake the feeling that it's starting to become a bit too "corporate". With the London Evening Standard article last week, we're going to get a tirade of southerners occupying the area within no time and I worry that they'll add to the corporate/dull feel even more.

Sadly this is bound to happen though - you have "hipster/creative" areas in every big city around the world and after a while the corporates catch on to it, sniff out the money-making potential and move in with their developments, their rabbit box apartments and their over inflated price tags.

Important to remember that there are "new" Northern Quarters emerging all over the city now though - Ancoats is one of them, and I think Salford will go through a similar process in the next ten years. It's anywhere with cheap rents, clapped out old buildings, and a 'reputation' for being a bit scrubby/rough around the edges which develop into creative/hipster areas and both Salford and (to a lesser extent) Ancoats fit these bills perfectly. The Northern Quarter is just being consolidated into the city centre - its regeneration has been successful, essentially.
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Irrespective of the finer details of this particular building, I absolutely believe something needs to go here. The issue with a lot of these surface car parks (built on the graves of previous grand buildings for the most part) is that you end up with views of the backsides (sides never really meant to be in full profile) of neighbouring buildings. This really is a jigsaw piece.
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Yep - and invariably surface car parks open up vistas across the city in ways you don't really want to - and not just in the sense that you can see the backs of other buildings. Having more buildings in a city and clearly-defined streets gives that sense of enclosure that I believe is so important in a city - not to mention it makes streets safer because you have natural surveillance and more lighting on the street itself.
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Much rather have this vibe than surface car park vibe though

I see what you're saying though - there are a few newbuilds starting to go up in the NQ at the moment and I can't shake the feeling that it's starting to become a bit too "corporate". With the London Evening Standard article last week, we're going to get a tirade of southerners occupying the area within no time and I worry that they'll add to the corporate/dull feel even more.

Sadly this is bound to happen though - you have "hipster/creative" areas in every big city around the world and after a while the corporates catch on to it, sniff out the money-making potential and move in with their developments, their rabbit box apartments and their over inflated price tags.

Important to remember that there are "new" Northern Quarters emerging all over the city now though - Ancoats is one of them, and I think Salford will go through a similar process in the next ten years. It's anywhere with cheap rents, clapped out old buildings, and a 'reputation' for being a bit scrubby/rough around the edges which develop into creative/hipster areas and both Salford and (to a lesser extent) Ancoats fit these bills perfectly. The Northern Quarter is just being consolidated into the city centre - its regeneration has been successful, essentially.
I prefer it as a car park here:

I like how its surrounded by nice looking buildings and has a manhattan style feel to it. this would be the perfect spot for a public park of some sort but instead we will be getting a big cheese wedge of nothingness filling space.

the NQ is still scruffy in places and I'm sure it will remain largely that way for a long time as long as the council keep a lid on developments.

Ancoats desperately needs more bars and restaurants and other stuff to be cooler imo
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