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Old October 3rd, 2005, 10:25 PM   #1
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Once upon a time The Boy David created an Edinburgh Development summary, but alas it is no more. Until now.

Allan Murray proposal for redevelopment of the former Lothian Regional Council offices:









For some reason I can't find any images of the existing Robert Matthew building, but saying that this is an improvement on it is damning it with faint praise. The Omni Centre transported to the Royal Mile. The only thing I like about the existing offices is the angular projections to Victoria Street, which they're removing. Plus, from looking at plans downloaded from the city planning office, they haven't even made any attempt to address the context of the Royal, ie the fishbone pattern and the old closes destroyed by previous developments.

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Was in a bit of a hurry, but noticed a crane at the Quartermile site today for the first time. I guess they're finally starting construction. Will investigate later.

Background: Norman Foster masterplanned redevelopment of former Edinburgh Royal Infirmary site (ERI now located in Keppie designed lego box half way to Galashiels). Site is between The Meadows and Lauriston Place, home to the Edinburgh College of Art and George Heriot's school. To the east is Edinburgh University's George Square campus.





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•Offices:
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Old October 4th, 2005, 12:38 AM   #2
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ITS A WEEGIE FORUM !!!
ITS A WEEGIE FORUM !!!
ITS A WEEGIE FORUM !!!
ITS A WEEGIE FORUM !!!
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Old October 4th, 2005, 01:33 AM   #3
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Auch maccoinnich you're a gent - I couldn't ever bring myself to bring back the Edinburgh thread... it just hurt too damn much when I lost it

Will post everything of importance that I still have stored on my computer tommorow for you
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Can somebody tell me why there isn't a Edinburgh Forum ???

Bossman_Gothicform, Mate ?? ...why nae EDIN Forum ?
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Old October 4th, 2005, 09:43 AM   #5
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I ken.

come April next year, I'll demand it as well

cmon The Boy David, load this thread with projects I need some projects to snap some pics when I get there
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Thanks for posting that maccoinnich. Its called The Bridge (presumably because its next to one of the Royal Mile bridges). Here's some spiel from AMA's website:

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AMA have recently submitted a Planning Application for this important £34 million regeneration project in the heart of Edinburgh's Old Town. Located on the Royal Mile, the existing 1960s office building will be demolished to make way for an elegant new mixed use building including a hotel, a new HBOS bank branch and retail space.

Our design proposes reactivating the street with new entrance loggias on George IV Bridge and the Lawnmarket, and reintroducing an arcade at the end of Victoria Terrace. A new Glass Room containing the hotel restaurant will reanimate the internal courtyard
Anyway I was interested as that is probably the toughest site in Edinburgh given the changes in levels and the impact on one of Scotland's finest and most memorable pieces of townscape. Funny you mentioned the angular projections to Victoria Street. I always had a soft spot for them too. Otherwise the Robert Matthew building didn't do a whole lot for me.

Not sure what this is trying to achieve at present. The Omni Centre transported to the Royal Mile indeed! It's awfy busy. Obviously they are trying to break the scale of it down and make it more picturesque but is there any meaning behind all the various types of fenestration on display? I dunno I keep looking at it and thinking they could do with playing about with the roofs more and making it more expressive. The element addressing the Royal Mile is crying out for a pergola or something to add a delicate filigree to the weight of all that stone. And as for the part that addresses Victoria Street. It's a wee bit heavy for the sweep of the street and if anything needs to be more picturesque. The stone fins / columns that slice through the sinuous sweep of the streets upper level terrace also look a bit awkward and unresolved to me.

Actually the building that would have looked good here is the MSP's office wing from the Parliament. Miralles would have lapped up a site like this.

As an aside I have a family link to the Royal Mile. It was my family's firm (ship builders and carpenters now long defunct) that built the Camera Obscura.

Finally there was also an article about AMA's Caltongate development in today's Herald:

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/48187.html
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Projects and Construction would make for a better home. That's where all the non principal cities go.
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Can somebody tell me why there isn't a Edinburgh Forum ???

Bossman_Gothicform, Mate ?? ...why nae EDIN Forum ?
Is it because im a minority here?
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Old October 5th, 2005, 01:21 PM   #9
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Is it because im a minority here?
You're not the only bloke from Edinburgh on here, mate...


Seriously though - there are no where near enough regular forumers to warrant an Edinburgh forum. Yet.


I'm Halfway through rebuilding the edinburgh list just now - will be up soon.

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Yeah - not enough Edinburgh forumers, and frankly not enough going on to warrant a whole forum. Edinburgh is going through slow and natural evolution at the moment. By contrast, Glasgow, Manchester and other cities that were incredibly rich in the 19th C, but were treated badly by the 20th, are suddenly on the up again, and consequentially, enjoying a boom in construction. The day Edinburgh has any skyscrapers in the city centre is a long way off...

I posted it in the Glasgow forum as 1) there used to be one (and come on, one thread in the whole forum is hardly a hostile takeover) and 2) some people at least in here have a good knowledge of Edinburgh, unlike elsewhere.

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Existing Robert Matthew former Lothian Regional Council offices, and MSP offices (1999-2004):





Work on Quartermile site:



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New Informatics building for the University (up until now, the world leading department has been scattered across various sites in the Old Town, including the Cowgate site that burned down along with the Gilded Balloon building in 2002).

Designed by Bennetts Associates in conjunction with Reiach and Hall. I remained to be convinced of the building, but will reserve judgement until it's built. Both practices are excellent (Bennetts are shortlisted for the Stirling Prize this year), and both have a good track record with buildings in Edinburgh (albeit Edinburgh Park for the former).











More available at http://www.inf.ed.ac.uk/building/images/.

Site as existing:



Construction due to start soon; they're already diverted services away from the site, and have just today started to put up a fence around the former carpark.
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Old October 5th, 2005, 03:11 PM   #11
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I posted it in the Glasgow forum as 1) there used to be one (and come on, one thread in the whole forum is hardly a hostile takeover) and 2) some people at least in here have a good knowledge of Edinburgh, unlike elsewhere.
LOL just wanted to see your reaction maccoinnich , no hostility what so ever mate.. unlike what the Glaswegians get from most Snooty Edin folks.

not the ones that post up here though ( not that i know of )
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I always did like the thought of Edinburgh being a suburb of Greater Glasgow! And if all the new towns grown enough it the central belt becomes a complete built up area, Glasgow will take over Edinburgh! lol
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Thats actually not such a stuid thought, just look at the layout of towns in the central belt and see how they all angle in a way towards Glasgow, as they expanded following the road network (which is also planned around Glasgow).
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Edinburgh Development Summary

Edinburgh Development Summary

Development of Scotland's Historic Captial and its surrounding regions. Will be updated fairly regularly with anything of any real significance - the list of developments will be limited to the big projects around the city & smaller developments of high importance or remarkable quality.


Masterplans


Leith & Surrounding areas


A mulititude of masterplans have been released documenting the vast regeneration that is planned for Leith and the surrounding area. A lot of this regeneration is already underway.


The newest version of the Leith masterplan - the rendering clearly shows the huge scale of the project. The new extension to Ocean Terminal can be seen on the right hand side, and also shown is a Landmark tower of some sort - there are many different "landmark" towers planed in the area, although none of the designs or locations are concrete yet.





The Western Harbour Masterplan - Also known as "Forthside"

The Masterplan by Robert Adam Architects:



This is what the Western Harbour looks like currently.


This is what the Western Harbour will look like when completed:






Granton Strand










Edinburgh Park Masterplan



"Modern business is no longer looking for a location, it demands a solution. The search for an infrastructure that maximises the mechanism of their commerce is one of the key objectives facing companies today. It is a global challenge that demands a highly localised solution. Edinburgh Park has been developed to respond to that challenge. Since it was established in 1992 the prestigious 58 hectare park has continued to attract top quality occupiers so that now is it not only Scotland's premier business park, but recognised as one of the best in Europe."


The Park is already established as one of the top business parks in the UK, with 21 of the country's top performing companies based here, and the ongoing development programme will span a further 10 to 15 years.

Companies such as Scottish Equitable, HSBC, Aegon, Miller Group, Oracle and BT all reside within Edinburgh Park, along with RBS Group and HBOS in neighbouring South Gyle.




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Highrise Projects


Leith Ports

Many plans for highrise developments have emerged over the past few years, but information on them is not exactly forthcoming. Here are a few of the proposals:


Beetham Leith



FORTH Ports is considering a plan to raise a landmark 40-storey glass residential and hotel complex on the Leith waterfront.
It is in discussions with The Beetham Organization, a Liverpool developer building similar schemes on the Mersey and in Manchester and Birmingham.
The Leith tower – situated at the tip of Edinburgh Harbour within the docklands and looking out into the bay – would be between 35 and 40 storeys high, easily making it the tallest building in Scotland. It could contain approximately 200 residential units and a 200-bedroom hotel.
It is believed that Forth Ports would sell the land to the family-owned developer. Waterfront plots are being snapped up for as much as £3 million per acre.
A Beetham spokeswoman said: “We would always be interested in developing in world-class cities such as Edinburgh and we will continue to look for prestige sites across the UK.”
But property sources confirmed that the two parties have been working on the scheme for almost a year. The development could start as early as 2005, but would take several years to complete due to its complexity.
Beetham has had initial success with its development model of building waterfront apartments on top of or adjacent to quality hotels – a more common concept in America. The Radisson will open its five-star facility at the 30-storey Beetham Tower in Liverpool this month and contracts were exchanged on 132 apartments after just three months of marketing. Construction has also started on a 38-storey building in Birmingham. The lower 18 floors will be a 220-bed Radisson SAS conference hotel with the higher floors taken up by 158 luxury flats.
Planning permission has also been granted for a 47-storey glass tower in Manchester that will cost £150m and features a 285-bed, luxury hotel run by Hilton International. As part of the development, Hilton will provide a “sky bar” on the 23rd floor.
Gaining the approval of city planners and civic groups in Edinburgh could prove more challenging. The tallest office buildings in the capital are 12 storeys high because of height restrictions designed to protect views and the historic character of the city centre.
John Brown, a director with advisers DTZ residential, said: “It will require very careful consideration by the planning department but I think a city can stand one icon building of that kind. The question will be if the airport approves it (due to flight paths). The Leith waterfront has been described as the Manhattan of Scotland and Manhattan has plenty of skyscrapers so maybe this is just what Edinburgh will want.”
Stewart Taylor, a director with property consultants CB Richard Ellis, said that the waterfront was one of the areas of Edinburgh where architects had freer reign because of its distance from the heritage city centre.
In any case, it is becoming clear that Forth Ports – a major landowner in Leith – is sitting on a development goldmine. The Sunday Herald revealed last month that the company was drawing up a masterplan that sets out the long-term commercial opportunities for another 120-acre plot where a substantial part of its port activities take place. Research analysts Arbuthnot Securities recently raised its valuation of the company to 1645p to 1799p per share on the basis that this takes place and a further 400 acres of seabed is reclaimed.

Rumours are that the tower will look similar, or identical to Beetham Manchester http://www.thebeethamorganization.co...php?content.18




The "Eco" Tower



Costing £21.5 million and standing 25 storys tall, this energy efficient construct is infact two towers joined together by 45 low-noise windturbines. The turbines should produce so much electricity that they should be able to sell some of the electricity back onto the National Grid. Desgined in RMJM's Edinburgh office, these 85 metre towers would be primaraly residential in nature, and have been extensive tested using wind-tunnels to eliminate the usual downdraft problems that plague high-rise buildings. RMJM believe that the "Eco Towers" will make a dramatic and exciting effect on the Leith Skyline.




Office Tower and Flats Tower, Leith, by Terry Farrell & Partners

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Edinburgh's Leith Docks are set to become a mini-Manhattan, complete with Scotland's two tallest buildings and a Guggenheim museum. Forth Ports has revealed plans to build two 35-storey towers as part of the regeneration of Leith port's Edinburgh Harbour. The company is also in discussions with the Solomon R Guggenheim Foundation about building a museum at the port. The two towers would stretch 420 feet into the air, making them three feet taller than the Millennium Tower at Glasgow Science Centre - currently Scotland's tallest structure. They will dwarf Scotland's previous tallest buildings, the 31-storey flats in Bluevale Street and Whitevale Street in Glasgow's Gallowgate, which are both 298 ft tall.



Edinburgh Airport Conrol Tower







The Air Traffic Control Tower for Edinburgh Airport was designed by REID architecture as an 'architectural statement', an 'iconic design' and a 'flagship building'. It is 57m high and combines base with tower due to the compact site and security issues.


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Lowrise Developments


Haymarket







The first phase of redevelopment around the Haymarket area. The "Gateway" scheme will contain offices, shops, bars & restaurants, and will sport a stunning 5 story public arcade and square. The site that it will be built on has lain derelict for nearly 40 years - a shocking fact considering it's situation in the city centre and beside Edinburgh's 2nd Train station.

The first phase in the Western gateway project will cost roughly £70 million and will create roughly 5,000 new jobs.




The "Sean Connery" Edinburgh Filmhouse





New Model:




Designed by Richard Murphy Architects, the film house, championed by Sir Sean Connery will be placed directly infront of the Sheraton on London Road. The building will rise 4 storys and contain 5 or 6 screens that will be flexible in size. The filmhouse will cost £20 million - this is prompting people to ask if Edinburgh needs another iconic structure such as this. It will certainly take your eyes off the painfully bland Sheraton behind it.


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Transport Infrastructure


Edinburgh Tram System

Edinburgh's tram network, due to be operational by 2009, is a large scale system that will serve almost of central Edinburgh, and will eventually stretch out as far west as Edinburgh Airport and beyond, possibly to Newbridge. The tram network will cost at least £325 million to complete, this figure will probably increase as the construction progresses.

Diagrams of the tram lines:

Overall map:


Route/line 1:


Route/line 2:


Line 3, which will lead to the Southwest of the city, is still in early stages of planning, and will more than likely be out on hold until the first 2 routes prove to be a sucess.

The trams:

Will be exactly the same as the Nottingham trams, except will be wider. This decision was make by the council to incourage older and larger citizens to use the tram service.




It is estimated that the trams will cover more than 20 million miles annually.

3.5 miles of dedicated bus lane that have been in operation since early 2005 will be transformed into tram lines.




Earl - Edinburgh Airport Rail Link

The £500 million proposed rail link will connect the Edinburgh’s airport at Turnhouse to main rail stations all over Scotland. This is seen as a key component of the planned expansion of the airport, which also includes proposals to build a second runway by 2020 to meet passenger demand.


Route Trains Stopping

Edinburgh - Glasgow 2 per hour
Edinburgh - Dunblane 2 per hour
Fife 2 per hour
Edinburgh - Aberdeen 1 per hour
Edinburgh – Inverness& Perth 1 per hour

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Edinburgh Airport to be Centre of World Class Transport Hub
posted 08/11/04
A new rail link to Edinburgh Airport will create a world-class transport hub for Scotland and provide direct rail services between the airport and a wide range of stations throughout the country, it was announced today.
The Edinburgh Airport Rail Link (EARL) will connect the airport to main stations all over Scotland and a proposed eight trains per hour will stop at a new station at the airport’s main terminal.
Details of the scheme emerged today (Monday November 8) when The Scottish Executive’s Transport Minister, Nicol Stephen, and tie limited (Transport Initiatives Edinburgh) launched a major public consultation on the project.
The proposed scheme will involve existing services being diverted via new rail links to and from the main Edinburgh-Glasgow and Edinburgh-Fife lines. Trains will arrive and depart the airport via a tunnel under the main runway.
The rail link will result in new, direct services to and from destinations such as Inverness, Aberdeen, Dundee, Perth, Glasgow, Fife and Stirling.
Michael Howell, Chief Executive of tie limited, said: “This scheme will transform rail services in Scotland. People will be able to travel to and from Edinburgh Airport more quickly and efficiently. The benefits to Scotland, its business community and tourism industry are significant. EARL is a world-class project and will bring Scotland into line with many countries worldwide.
“The scheme being proposed involves minimum disruption to the existing infrastructure and the surrounding areas and delivers real benefits.”
The consultation process launched today aims to canvass opinion throughout Scotland will last until Sunday 19th December.



New Forth Road Bridge






It's now common knowledge that the Forth Road Bridge is becoming increasingly unsafe AND overused. One source claims that the bridge has only ten years left before it is unusable. Proof of this is in the fact that they have built huge braces on the southern pillar of the bridge to stop it from buckling.

And so new designs for a replacement have recently been released. The bridge, while being very slightly shorter than the current one, will sport the 6th longest suspension span in the world (1375m)! Only 2m foot shorter than the fifth longest, the Tsing Ma Bridge. The supporting reinforced concrete support towers will be 185m tall making them easily the tallest amn-made structures in Scotland.

It is estimated the bridge will cost £300M, and the connecting road network a further £200M. If the bridge is strengthened to also carry trams, the costs are expected to rise to £360M - £400M depending on how the trams are carried. To also carry trains, it has been estimeted by the media that costs would rise to £580M plus £500M for the connecting infrastructure.



What a sight that would be!!! THREE huge bridges standing side by side! Glorious.




New Entrance to Edinburgh Waverley

New look for Waverley

There will be a fresh look about Waverley Station by 2007, with the first phase of redevelopment completed including an improved station entrance.
The station entrance on Princes Street via the Waverley Steps (between the Balmoral Hotel and the Princes Mall Shopping Centre) is part of the first phase of the station’s £150 m redevelopment. Design work will be complete in July 2005, and will include escalators, lifts and a protective canopy on Waverley Steps by 2007.

The first phase will also include:
An increase from the present 24 to 28 trains every hour by the end of 2007 at the west end of Waverley
Two new through platforms at Waverley by Spring 2007
A new platform at Haymarket Station by Autumn 2006
The number of trains using Waverley has increased by 50 per cent over the past 15 years to 576 a day, and the station has reached capacity for trains from the West End.
Passenger numbers will continue to grown beyond the 14.4 million passengers a year currently using the station.
Local architects Jefferson Sheard are designing the Waverley Steps improvement.

What the entrance looks like now:




What it will look like when completed:










Thanks to www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk for some of the images and information used above. All the other images and info were ruthlessly pilaged from the internet or came from my camera, and so no other credit can be given at this time

Will be updated soon - Please feel free to correct or add anything to what has been posted above - PM me with any alterations that should be made.

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The tower ideas look good, it might actually improve the view from the castle etc. (that they are worried about) instead of basically seeing nothing in Leith right now. It also wouldnt get in the way of any view, unless you could walk on water of course or wanted to see all of Fife...
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Have to say I'm really wowed by Quartermile, sublime mix of old and new and heartening that Foster hasn't compromised design. Some of the blocks are too plain though, have to keep quality up.

Edinburgh City Council are building bland new offices, there was talk of a Guggenheim and World Trade towers years ago.

Also Make's tower in Leith. Or is that Make believe?


You have to say the standard of construction on most of those Leith projects make Glasgow's volume residentials look the epitome of design and build excellence.

And Edinburgh had the most impressive waterfront tower proposals I've seen in Britain. A Stewart Milne/Holmes Partnership job.


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i just moved over here from rotterdam 6 months ago,and im suprised at the amount of new plans here , so i'd support a local forum as well
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i just moved over here from rotterdam 6 months ago,and im suprised at the amount of new plans here , so i'd support a local forum as well
Good stuff! Glad to see another Edinburgh forumer! What do you think of Edinburgh so far?

While I would love to see an Edin forum, there just isn't quite enough to keep it going.

But that could change soon enough - there are a lot of high profile things planned. If you know anything I don't, please post it up here




Gleegie - I forgot about the tower by Make (not for the first time, I believe). I'm pretty sure this will at some point get the go-ahead. It's just too stunning not to be built!
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Wow. Thanks for posting all that TBD, I've been searching all over the place for stuff on future Edinburgh developments.

And yeah, you guys ought to get an Edinburgh forum. It is the capital, after all
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Wow. Thanks for posting all that TBD, I've been searching all over the place for stuff on future Edinburgh developments.

And yeah, you guys ought to get an Edinburgh forum. It is the capital, after all
No probs mate and welcome to the forums

Seeing that there has been quite a few Edinburgh Forumers joining SSC recently, the case is definetaly growing for an Edinburgh forum
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