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Old January 12th, 2007, 02:50 AM   #1
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Hammerson selects Vinoly for Victoria

Grimshaw also lined up for London station revamp


12.01.2007

The comprehensive redevelopment of London’s Victoria picked up pace this week.

Hammerson has selected a heavyweight line-up of architects to deliver its redevelopment of the station, including world-renowned architect Rafael Vinoly. Vinoly is best known in the UK as the man behind Land Securities’ ‘walkie-talkie tower’ in the City.

Property Week has learnt that Hammerson has drawn up plans for three tall office buildings above the station, to be designed by three separate architects as part of an 800,000 sq ft (74,322 sq m) redevelopment to be undertaken with Network Rail.

Grimshaw, the firm led by top UK architect Nicholas Grimshaw, and GMW have also been picked to develop a building each.

One of these will then be selected to design a redevelopment of the station itself as well as the concourse retail. Plans include moving its ticket hall and concourse underground, in front of the station, topped by a glass structure above the pavement.

The developer plans to start in 2009 and complete in 2012.

The bus station will be moved and a pedestrianised piazza will be built. Previous plans to move the bus station underground are not expected to go ahead.Land Securities is to develop a 2m sq ft (185,805 sq m) scheme in front of the station, which will link into Hammerson’s plans.

The developer will go to public consultation on its revised plans at the beginning of February. A new application is expected shortly after.

The news comes as Gerald Ronson’s Heron has returned to the West End development market for the first time in five years, after securing planning permission for a 100,000 sq ft (9,290 sq m) office building opposite Victoria station.

Heron’s Abford House scheme is being held in a unit trust jointly owned by Heron and CIS, which previously owned the site.

Heron will develop the Sheppard Robson-designed building, which also includes ground-floor retail. The scheme will begin immediately and reach completion in 2008.

Peter Ferrari, group development director at Heron International, said: ‘We believe the prospects for and timing of the scheme to be very good.’ CBRE and DTZ are the agents.


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Old January 12th, 2007, 03:00 AM   #2
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hurrah, that station is such a mess, both in and out, and the entrance to it via train promises so much as you cross the river from Battersea!
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Old January 12th, 2007, 10:27 AM   #3
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this isnt going to effect any of the glass roof that is currently over the concourse is it. or is this more in the mould of what was developed at charing x
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sounds interesting!

800,000 sq ft for three towers? they won't be very tall then, more like midrises - they probably can't be anyway due to the proximity of the buckingham palace.
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I'm skeptical because this is the same guy who designed the new 20 Fenchurch St, hope we don't get 3x the horror!
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sounds interesting!

800,000 sq ft for three towers? they won't be very tall then, more like midrises - they probably can't be anyway due to the proximity of the buckingham palace.
Not very very tall but at least 100m won't be head and shoulders above whats already in the area. Was there last weekend and there are already towers rising up behind or to the left of bucknam pallice.
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Old January 12th, 2007, 12:30 PM   #7
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Vinoly is a very talented architect and not all his stuff isn't as mad as 20 Fenchurch Street.

Mahler 4 Office Tower
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Tokyo International Forum
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What the hell, who would even think that a design like that had a chance of getting built
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What the hell, who would even think that a design like that had a chance of getting built
I put the following word to you... Publicité
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The Tokyo International forum is one of the finest buildings of the previous decade. Anywhere.

Not so convinced by his other designs though. By the way its not 800,000 sq ft, the development is getting on for 2m sq ft.... that is 2 One Canada Squares in skyscraper currency. Big buildings. I've heard about 3x 30 storey office/residential towers mooted as twin 50 storey office/residential towers were turned down by Westminster and the Monarchy as too tall and a security risk... Twin 50 storey towers would have looked amazing though... check out Nagoya Station and see what I mean!
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Wait a minute....Victoria is in Westminster...what are the chances of anything of height getting built there.
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why would it have to be of height? they could easily be a comfortable 70 metres and get through planning. the word "tower" is so open ended. look at how many sqm there are... split between three towers with a whopping huge retail concourse below no doubt.
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Portland Place is huge... nearly 400 feet, Windsor House around 300 feet and Westminster City hall around the same. Then you've got the Met Police HQ, around 16 storeys....

Victoria has loads of highrises. I don't see a 30 storey office block (around 400-450 feet being much of a problem). Vinoly and Grimshaw could come up with something very special. Land Securities are a very reputable developer. Just look at Cardinal Place... it is fantastic.
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no. portland place is 300ft... well just over. windsor house, 230 feet, westminster city hall is 250 feet. nothing will even reach portland place in heights, the planning guidance in the area makes it pretty clear its for "security reasons". portland place has a good view of buckingham palace back garden you see, imagine someone could see into the queen's garden like they can everyone elses
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no. portland place is 300ft... well just over. windsor house, 230 feet, westminster city hall is 250 feet. nothing will even reach portland place in heights, the planning guidance in the area makes it pretty clear its for "security reasons". portland place has a good view of buckingham palace back garden you see, imagine someone could see into the queen's garden like they can everyone elses

Thanks James another reason for getting rid of the windsor's.
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to be honest with you this is one of those areas where i dont think you should be building too tall. i think theres room for midrises on this particular corridoor of victoria but the surrounding areas are very traditional infrastructure and i think they should be left as they are theres plenty of room for scrapers in the city, southwark and even neighbouring vauxhall just not here
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my thoughts too, it is not like anything amazing has been built or proposed in this area that is of significant height. All of the talls here are pretty brutal in their appearance with the quality of a mass-produced paving slab.

When you look out over St James Park from the Mall or looking back over London from Buck palace the home office and portland house tend to have quite a negative impact on the delicate but dramatic peaks of the Houses of Parliament, Westminster Abbey, Methodist Central and Westminster Cathedral is completely hounded out...

I think something tall, nearer the station, if it was of a slightly interesting design would have less impact due to it being that much further back from the edge of the park.

So I think the height limit due to the gardens is a good thing and will hopefully help the existing tall buildings to fall over. Shouldnt stop something dramatic near Vic station though, hopefully it wont mean that developers go all dumpy on us.
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Agreed gentlemen....nothing taller than say Westminster T/H . Victoria Station could manage that, but not the the detriment of the frontage or the glass roof.

There is a tallish building (about 12 floors) more or less behind the Station. It has a facsinating undulating window arrangement....I love it.
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Whatever goes up is good for Victoria. I think in under ten years time there will many visible improvements, that will make Victoria a desirable place to work and visit. Its been reinventing itself for years now. I just wish developers would target and get rid of the vile mirror glass DTI buildings next to Westminster Cathedral and open up this beautiful building to the area again. Creating a large square piazza that relates to the street would be very benificial to the area where open space is a very rare thing.
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