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Old March 12th, 2009, 01:52 AM   #301
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Well I hope that nearly doubling the number of buses on the road doesn't correlate to a same increase in cyclists being killed. How ironic that would be.
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Boriswatch reckons there will be more accidents because there will be more lumps of steel to bump in to things.
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Old March 12th, 2009, 07:34 PM   #303
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Of course there will be more accidents. Retarded policy from a clueless toff of a mayor. Boris is even worse than i previously thought and will quickly send us back in time. Boris is pissing me off today.
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Well I hope that nearly doubling the number of buses on the road doesn't correlate to a same increase in cyclists being killed. How ironic that would be.
Not a single cyclist has been killed by a bendy bus before in the first place.
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Old May 17th, 2009, 07:03 AM   #305
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Anyone know when we will see a prototype of the new Routemaster? They must be working on it I assume?
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Old May 19th, 2009, 11:28 AM   #306
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I hope not. What a stupid idea...
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Old May 20th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #307
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Well that's your opnion, I personally love the idea of seeing foster's buses everywhere.
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Old May 20th, 2009, 04:32 PM   #308
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The OJEC notice (basically - the thing that starts the whole process off) was released mid Feb and in that they state that they're looking to award the initial contract for companies to start developing these things towards the end of this year.

They then expect a prototype by mid 2011 with an introduction of services in 2012 - which will be the year of the next Mayor campaign and it's looking like Boris may not run for Mayor in the next election, the new mayor may decide it's not worth the extra money.

However, the OJEC notice also says that the companies need to *consider* the results of the competition winners - but not definately use them. Again - if they come back and say 'We could do all that - but it'll cost £100 million a bus' then it's more than likely that TfL will just say 'Ok - don't bother, we'll just buy a load of normal double-deckers instead'.

So, don't get work up over seeing this on the streets anytime soon. There's still a load of hurdles to jump over and all the reviews into the service these would offer have, at the moment, pointed towards them offering a worse service than the current Bendy-buses.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 01:04 PM   #309
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8232668.stm

New Routemaster is 'years away'


The Aston Martin-Foster bus remains years away


London mayor Boris Johnson has admitted it will be years before the Routemaster bus is ready - but said he is "champing at the bit" to remove bendy-buses.

When it was suggested the newly-designed bus "seems a long way off", Mr Johnson told the BBC: "It is."

But he said: "We are slowly starting to get rid now of the bendy buses."

The mayor said he expected the first new Routemasters, aimed at being better for the environment, to be "purring" through London's streets by late 2011.

He continued: "We are going to bring in a new generation buses which is cleaner and greener.

"The current buses just emit so much fumes and London has a real problem with air quality.

"By the back end of 2011 we will see the first new Routemaster purring through the streets of London."

The idea to reinvent the original double-decker Routemaster bus was one of Mr Johnson's key election pledges.

Sports car manufacturer Aston Martin and architect Foster and Partners joined forces to win the to design the new vehicle.

The bendy-bus, introduced by former mayor Ken Livingstone, has been criticized as a fire hazard and a danger to cyclists.

Mr Johnson, the former editor of the Spectator magazine, has guest-edited a special London edition of fashion magazine Elle - and also appears on the front cover.

Elle's editor in chief Lorraine Candy said: "Boris's cover is unique - he is the third blonde after myself and Donatella Versace to take on the editor's chair in Elle's history."


The cover features lyrics from The Clash song London Calling
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 04:08 PM   #310
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While the issue of bendy buses is not quite central to the discussion on the New Routemaster, I'll still outline the reasons why I have never been a great fan of bendy buses.

A typical bus journey made on a London bus is actually medium-long distance - buses are used more for commuting (between centres and suburbs) than for short-hops (a five-minute journey to the nearest tube station - granted there are people who do that, but London buses do much more than just that). Seats therefore are important. Bendy buses are hailed for their high capacity - the official total capacity for a Citaro G is around 150, which is absolutely unrealistic in London. There are 49 seats and you expect 100 people to crammed in the gangway and the two whealchair bays? No chance. Even when they seem crushloaded they don't carry many more than 100. So realistically a bendy bus doesn't NOT carry that many more passengers than a long-wheelbase LFDD, a 10.5m Trident for example. 12-metre tri-axle double deckers can carry 120 easily with 80 seated. Yet a (much) higher proportion of passengers on a bendy bus have to stand while a bendy bus takes much more road space (18 metres against 12 metres).

The manoeurvability issue with bendy buses is not so much its turning circle (which is not that much worse than a full-size rigid), but its sheer length - they simply take up too much space. While 3-doors are fantastic at speeding up boarding at face value, what actually happens is that they take up valuable stop space so other buses have to queue more to wait their turn to pull up, resulting in an overall reduction in efficiency. With London's narrow streets and heavy traffic vehicles need to claim whatever space that's become available instantaneously. A double decker can just about fill the space after a busy junction. In the case of a bendy either its posterior sticks out blocking the junction or another vehicle claims the space. New Oxford Street with four bendy routes (25, 29, 38 and 73) is NOT a pleasant road often with severe bus jams, and Cambridge Circus was (before the new road layouts) notorious for 5-7 bendies being bunched together and only ONE bendy making it through each green light.

In the old days of the Routemasters you had efficiency, comfort and ambience, with bendies you have none. That said, the current withdrawl programme is too political motivated and ill thought-through. The 501 and 521 are actually good routes for bendies for they link offices with mainline stations and journeys are too short to warrant double deckers but volume of passengers would require bendies; The 38 definitely will NOT require a PVR of 72 - 50 Routemasters did a fine job before the bendies so 60 LFDDs would still be a considerable improvement from that. As for whether replacement should tie in with natural replacement, sources say that the current bendies are leased, so they simply go back to the leasing company, therefore as far as TfL are concerned they are probably not facing any capital wastage.

Onto the main issue - do I favour a 'new' Routemaster? Probably yes. It is possible to have a low-floor chassis with a rear longitudinal off-side engine so you can have a flat-floor all the way from the rear platform to the front of the bus. Transmission can stay go the off-side of the bus and the staircase can just sit above the engine compartment. The front 'engine compartment' can house an air-con unit. There can be an additional door at the front for easier wheelchair access and to speed up boarding. You have capacity, efficiency, accessiblity, comfort and ambience all in one, and the chassis needn't be much different to what there is already available. There is the added cost of a conductor true, but you only need to put these 'Routemasters' onto the high-profile high-revenue routes in Central London like the 6, 9, 10, 19, 23, 38, 73 etc where its status as an icon, the presence of a conductor providing a service etc will be justified and appreciated.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 06:44 PM   #311
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It is still a tedious short term solution. Ken realised that buses were a short term fix and invested in the biggest bang for the money and looked to future alternate schemes for long term improvement, funding for crossrail 1 & 2, funding for cross river tram, congestion charge increases, cycle hire schemes etc

Boris is using it as an election gimmick (as if bendy buses and the frustrations you outline are in anyway pivotal to Londons transport future!) and is totally off-the-ball when it comes to any long term initiatives. The bus, no matter what shape is the status quo, there is no getting away with that. So waste of money and a delay on Londons long term survival. Oh dear.
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Old September 2nd, 2009, 07:57 PM   #312
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Articulated Bus Routes

Red shows districts in local authorities that voted for Ken Livingstone.
Blue shows districts in local authorities that voted for Boris Johnson.


12: Dulwich - Peckham - Walworth - Elephant & Castle - Oxford St
18: Sudbury - Wembley - Harlesden - Paddington - Euston
25: Ilford - Manor Park - Forest Gate - Bow - Bank - Oxford St
29: Wood Green - Holloway - Camden Town - Trafalgar Sq
38: Clapton - Hackney - Islington - Holborn - Victoria
73: Seven Sisters - Tottenham - Islington - Victoria
149: Edmonton - Tottenham - Dalston - London Bridge
207: Hayes - Southall - Ealing - Acton - White City
436: Lewisham - New Cross - Peckham - Vauxhall - Edgeware Rd
453: Deptford - Old Kent Rd - Elephant & Castle - Oxford Circus
507: Waterloo - Lambeth - Victoria
521: Waterloo - Holborn - London Bridge


Conclusion:
Those in areas most affected by the removal of articulated 'bendy' buses were in favour of a mayoral candidate that pledged to keep them.
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Old September 3rd, 2009, 07:23 PM   #313
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Cyclists in London are mainly killed by lorries, usually construction lorries involved in building skyscrapers.

Skyscrapers kill cyslists
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Old September 6th, 2009, 01:41 PM   #314
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and if all those buildings werent there, and there were no shops to go to and nothing interesting in central london these cyclists wouldnt be cycling there, and wouldnt be killed.
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Old January 28th, 2010, 03:52 PM   #315
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bendy buses

Apparently all the bendy busies are going to Bristol, Done deal!!
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Old January 28th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #316
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Apparently all the bendy busies are going to Bristol, Done deal!!
Really? Reference?
But Bristol's roads are EVEN narrower, bendier and more hilly than London. Plus there are no red routes. Double standards?
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Old January 28th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #317
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Apparently all the bendy busies are going to Bristol, Done deal!!
No. They are going to Malta
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Old January 28th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #318
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they have been test driving them in Brighton as well on the routes towards the Universities... that would make sense seeing as one of the companies that operates them in london is part of GO-Ahead group that operates brighton busses.
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Really? Reference?
But Bristol's roads are EVEN narrower, bendier and more hilly than London. Plus there are no red routes. Double standards?
Apparently bristol used bath as a test bed. did,nt realise bath had bendy buses.
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Apparently bristol used bath as a test bed. did,nt realise bath had bendy buses.
I used them back in the day. Totally the wrong city for them.
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