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Old March 14th, 2012, 08:01 PM   #1721
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Donald Trump expected by the end of april, he will attend the launching of the batumi trump tower.
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Old March 16th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #1726
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Misha said that This will be a new American Technical University, although, I believe, he has not actually asked Americans whether such building is suitable for the University or not.

This project demonstrates stupidity of the design and decision makers involved in approving such design - 30+ store technical university building having max 300 sq.m. gross floor area (as you can see from the picture). For those who have seen universities know that there is no decent high-rise university with such a small gross floor area. Let's assume minimum class size of 20 students. Imagine 20 classes having lectures on floors above the 5th floor. So, 400 students will have to take elevators. So, it requires 40 ten person elevators to take students to the classrooms. Each elevator will require at least 4 min in one direction (with average number of stops). So, to transport 400 students in 12 min brake time it will require 13 ten person elevators. With some optimization of classes distribution on the floors, one can reduce the number to 8 elevators, although it will require wider stair-cases. So, 8 ten person elevators, quite wide stairs and corridors will require at least 200 sq.m. excluding space needed for walls, toilets and other non-classroom facilities. So, such a tall and narrow building will have no more than 70-80 sq.m. net area per floor, that could accommodate, just two classrooms or one classroom and 2 smaller rooms for lecturers. Plus, such building will have very high energy costs, students and lecturers constantly being late. I can imagine how such stupid decisions are made: architect drafts nice picture of the high-rise glass building with something rotating at the top, then it is showed to Misha by the friend of this architect, Misha likes glass and very symbolic phallic height and bash - decision is made.

I love Batumi, but more centrally located city, such as Kutaisi (if we exclude Tbilisi to facilitate regional development) will be much better and convenient for Georgian students. Travel time to Batumi or Kutaisi will not make big difference for Turkish students, and why should the location prioritize Turks over Georgians?

Only possible functionality for such a tall, inefficient and narrow building could be a hotel, because residential or office building will require large car parking and lots of elevators. Although, it also will be very inefficient hotel anyway.

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Old March 17th, 2012, 07:22 PM   #1727
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Misha said that This will be a new American Technical University, although, I believe, he has not actually asked Americans whether such building is suitable for the University or not.

This project demonstrates stupidity of the design and decision makers involved in approving such design - 30+ store technical university building having max 300 sq.m. gross floor area (as you can see from the picture). For those who have seen universities know that there is no decent high-rise university with such a small gross floor area. Let's assume minimum class size of 20 students. Imagine 20 classes having lectures on floors above the 5th floor. So, 400 students will have to take elevators. So, it requires 40 ten person elevators to take students to the classrooms. Each elevator will require at least 4 min in one direction (with average number of stops). So, to transport 400 students in 12 min brake time it will require 13 ten person elevators. With some optimization of classes distribution on the floors, one can reduce the number to 8 elevators, although it will require wider stair-cases. So, 8 ten person elevators, quite wide stairs and corridors will require at least 200 sq.m. excluding space needed for walls, toilets and other non-classroom facilities. So, such a tall and narrow building will have no more than 70-80 sq.m. net area per floor, that could accommodate, just two classrooms or one classroom and 2 smaller rooms for lecturers. Plus, such building will have very high energy costs, students and lecturers constantly being late. I can imagine how such stupid decisions are made: architect drafts nice picture of the high-rise glass building with something rotating at the top, then it is showed to Misha by the friend of this architect, Misha likes glass and very symbolic phallic height and bash - decision is made.

I love Batumi, but more centrally located city, such as Kutaisi (if we exclude Tbilisi to facilitate regional development) will be much better and convenient for Georgian students. Travel time to Batumi or Kutaisi will not make big difference for Turkish students, and why should the location prioritize Turks over Georgians?

Only possible functionality for such a tall, inefficient and narrow building could be a hotel, because residential or office building will require large car parking and lots of elevators. Although, it also will be very inefficient hotel anyway.
Iveri, are you familiar with the blueprints of this building? are you sure there isn't a large underground multi story parking lot for this? make sure and then criticise....office space would be welcomes for this building. So would hotel space.
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Iveri, are you familiar with the blueprints of this building? are you sure there isn't a large underground multi story parking lot for this? make sure and then criticise....office space would be welcomes for this building. So would hotel space.
Keckho, my criticism manly related to Misha announcing this building as a future American Technical University, when he showed the very same picture to the American and Georgian audience, when he was in the US. I believe, simple calculations demonstrated that the building is not suitable for the university.

Another portion of the criticism related to the ultra inefficiency of the design, when net usable floor area represents no more than 30% of the Gross area, if used for University and less than 40% if used for office. This net area could only accommodate max of 1000 student university, which is rather small even to Georgian standards, despite having Misha's beloved symbolic height.

As to the office building, you can see from the picture that the tower has 4 column by 4 column. The standard distance between columns could not be more than 6m (which is the standard for much smaller height buildings). Thus, the 18x18m is maximum size of the tower, thus 324 sq.m. gross area (including columns, walls, elevators, stairs, corridors, etc.). Do you know any office building in the world higher than 30 floors which has that small gross floor area? As to parking, even if it has 1000 sq.m. parking, which I dough, because ground floor footprint and distance to the water level will not allow more in a cost effective way, it can accommodate only max 50 cars, which is enough for no more than 200 employees and visitors, while the office provides space for 500-700 employees. Where the remaining 100+ cars should be parked? Even 100 cars require 700m long street to be parked. Plus, as I remember, the building actually does not have multistory (more than 2 floors) underground parking - simply they have not excavated that deep.

This inefficiency, in other words, means lots of wasted money!!! I am not happy to see this wastefulness, are you happy with that?

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Keckho, my criticism manly related to Misha announcing this building as a future American Technical University, when he showed the very same picture to the American and Georgian audience, when he was in the US. I believe, simple calculations demonstrated that the building is not suitable for the university.

Another portion of the criticism related to the ultra inefficiency of the design, when net usable floor area represents no more than 30% of the Gross area, if used for University and less than 40% if used for office. This net area could only accommodate max of 1000 student university, which is rather small even to Georgian standards, despite having Misha's beloved symbolic height.

As to the office building, you can see from the picture that the tower has 4 column by 4 column. The standard distance between columns could not be more than 6m (which is the standard for much smaller height buildings). Thus, the 18x18m is maximum size of the tower, thus 324 sq.m. gross area (including columns, walls, elevators, stairs, corridors, etc.). Do you know any office building in the world higher than 30 floors which has that small gross floor area? As to parking, even if it has 1000 sq.m. parking, which I dough, because ground floor footprint and distance to the water level will not allow more in a cost effective way, it can accommodate only max 50 cars, which is enough for no more than 200 employees and visitors, while the office provides space for 500-700 employees. Where the remaining 100+ cars should be parked? Even 100 cars require 700m long street to be parked. Plus, as I remember, the building actually does not have multistory (more than 2 floors) underground parking - simply they have not excavated that deep.

This inefficiency, in other words, means lots of wasted money!!! I am not happy to see this wastefulness, are you happy with that?
ok this of this this way. the underground parking will probably be twice the floor perimeter of the building. and several floors deep minimum 3 maximum 8 maybe. if each flood accommodates 20-30 cars, I think it's viable to think that you can park more than 200 cars in underground parking. Then, look at hong kong, it has 60 floor buildings with such small floor area. Yu xev tu du riserch mai frend
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ok this of this this way. the underground parking will probably be twice the floor perimeter of the building. and several floors deep minimum 3 maximum 8 maybe. if each flood accommodates 20-30 cars, I think it's viable to think that you can park more than 200 cars in underground parking. Then, look at hong kong, it has 60 floor buildings with such small floor area. Yu xev tu du riserch mai frend
Kekho, I took your suggestion and checked the world's thinnest towers and found that Misha's design should be in the wold's top 3 by floor area inefficiency, when measured by number of net usable floor area/gross floor area. As Other 2 contenders might be Hong Kong's Highcliff and The Summit. Both are residential - first 71 floor with 4,356 sq.m. gross area (thus approx. 500 sq.m. per floor on average) and the second with 56 floors and 3,045 sq.m. (thus approx. 450sqm. per floor on average). Residential buildings require less elevators and have better area efficiency, thus, the Georgian miracle tower has the least net floor area/gross, which makes it the World Champion in inefficiency. As to car parking, they already are on the 16th floor or more and it is too late to enlarge parking in depth - As I know it has 1 or 2 floor parking only

They easily could accommodate at least 500 sq.m. average gross floor area building with much better efficiency and I wonder, why they have not done so... My guess is, because they could not achieve very symbolic height Such erection requires more money and consideration

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Old March 20th, 2012, 02:31 AM   #1731
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Old March 20th, 2012, 02:33 AM   #1732
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Old March 20th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #1733
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I Do not agree with the critical approach. All offices are high rise and people work 8+ hours in such buildings and many companies are in one high-rise like these one and I do not see a point in not having a modern university especially for technical university in office type building of XXI century. Yes they used to build different type universities but nobody ever asked as to why old style should be kept for new Universities ? If adults can work in such building all their life’s why cannot student get used to study in this type of architectural peace.




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Keckho, my criticism manly related to Misha announcing this building as a future American Technical University, when he showed the very same picture to the American and Georgian audience, when he was in the US. I believe, simple calculations demonstrated that the building is not suitable for the university.

Another portion of the criticism related to the ultra inefficiency of the design, when net usable floor area represents no more than 30% of the Gross area, if used for University and less than 40% if used for office. This net area could only accommodate max of 1000 student university, which is rather small even to Georgian standards, despite having Misha's beloved symbolic height.

As to the office building, you can see from the picture that the tower has 4 column by 4 column. The standard distance between columns could not be more than 6m (which is the standard for much smaller height buildings). Thus, the 18x18m is maximum size of the tower, thus 324 sq.m. gross area (including columns, walls, elevators, stairs, corridors, etc.). Do you know any office building in the world higher than 30 floors which has that small gross floor area? As to parking, even if it has 1000 sq.m. parking, which I dough, because ground floor footprint and distance to the water level will not allow more in a cost effective way, it can accommodate only max 50 cars, which is enough for no more than 200 employees and visitors, while the office provides space for 500-700 employees. Where the remaining 100+ cars should be parked? Even 100 cars require 700m long street to be parked. Plus, as I remember, the building actually does not have multistory (more than 2 floors) underground parking - simply they have not excavated that deep.

This inefficiency, in other words, means lots of wasted money!!! I am not happy to see this wastefulness, are you happy with that?
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I Do not agree with the critical approach. All offices are high rise and people work 8+ hours in such buildings and many companies are in one high-rise like these one and I do not see a point in not having a modern university especially for technical university in office type building of XXI century. Yes they used to build different type universities but nobody ever asked as to why old style should be kept for new Universities ? If adults can work in such building all their life’s why cannot student get used to study in this type of architectural peace.
Cyberclubber, can you imagine modern university having floors, which can only accommodate 50 sq.m. small classroom, 18 sq.m. teacher's room and the rest just toilets, elevators, very small corridor and stairs? Is that really modern to spend most of the time in elevators and waiting for the elevators and everybody always being late? Elevators' electricity and maintenance costs constituting the major part of the tuition calcluations? High rise universities exist in not so may places where land prices are extremely high or where decisions are made by politicians emphasizing something. i.e. Moscow's MGU (The building was built by German captives during the Stalin era) or Misha's Technical University symbolizing god knows what. Although, MGU has much more efficient design then the new building under construction in Batumi (usable space/gross area ratio, Floor area on average much bigger than 2000 sq.m. compared to 320 sq.m.). High rise offices and Universities do not have 320 sq. m. gross floor area, because it is too small to accommodate decent office and I already explained what it means for the University...

Modern high rise buildings are not just glass buildings but well thought facilities, considering millions of small and big details...

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Cyberclubber, can you imagine modern university having floors, which can only accommodate 50 sq.m. small classroom, 18 sq.m. teacher's room and the rest just toilets, elevators, very small corridor and stairs? Is that really modern to spend most of the time in elevators and waiting for the elevators and everybody always being late? Elevators' electricity and maintenance costs constituting the major part of the tuition calcluations? High rise universities exist in not so may places where land prices are extremely high or where decisions are made by politicians emphasizing something. i.e. Moscow's MGU (The building was built by German captives during the Stalin era) or Misha's Technical University symbolizing god knows what. Although, MGU has much more efficient design then the new building under construction in Batumi (usable space/gross area ratio, Floor area on average much bigger than 2000 sq.m. compared to 320 sq.m.). High rise offices and Universities do not have 320 sq. m. gross floor area, because it is too small to accommodate decent office and I already explained what it means for the University...

Modern high rise buildings are not just glass buildings but well thought facilities, considering millions of small and big details...
Elevators don't take long...ever been in a high rise where elevators took more than 5 minutes? this isn't your typical chexuri elevator which takes a minute to go to the ninth floor. These elevators will be fast and efficient, requiring yearly, not monthly maintenance. Empire state building elevator takes just two minutes and something to go to the 102nd floor. divide that by 3 and you'll get the time for the business center. Do not forget this building will contain minimum 4 elevators, so I don't think people will wait ten minutes for elevators to arrive. And I really don't think it'll be a university. Business center means business and not education. Let's just wait and see
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why r u arguing? let's live and we will see, what will be built.. yet, we should be happy that something is being built, not demolished..
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Elevators don't take long...ever been in a high rise where elevators took more than 5 minutes? this isn't your typical chexuri elevator which takes a minute to go to the ninth floor. These elevators will be fast and efficient, requiring yearly, not monthly maintenance. Empire state building elevator takes just two minutes and something to go to the 102nd floor. divide that by 3 and you'll get the time for the business center. Do not forget this building will contain minimum 4 elevators, so I don't think people will wait ten minutes for elevators to arrive. And I really don't think it'll be a university. Business center means business and not education. Let's just wait and see
Cyberclubber, tell me why chexuri is my elevator and why do you think that I have never been in a modern elevators? Why do you think that if someone does not support stupid and inefficient design supposed to know only chexuri elevators? Should I reply in a same manner and ask how many times your modern elevators supposed to stop on average per trip and what will be average waiting time for people entering and leaving the elevator? what will be the total average time per elevator trip including time that 10+ passengers will need to arrive to various floors of the 30+ store university? Even if the average stops are 4 and time needed for doors to open/close and people to enter/leave is 50 sec, will not you gate the total trip time the same 4 min, as I wrote? As to the efficiency, buying and installation budget for 8 modern elevators will be as a minimum USD 3 Million. If you depreciate it in 10 years, you are getting USD 300,000 per year or USD 750 per year per student (for 400 students, as used in calculations). And this is just depreciation, you also need to add maintenance and electricity costs, which should be of the same magnitude. If you were student or student's parent, would you pay USD 1000 or more per year just for elevator costs?

As to the purpose of the building - This is Misha who named this building a future Batumi Technical University when he was showing the pictures of this building to Americans. You can see him saying this from the 45 sec in the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5lVpzRbRlA or in this link http://www.commersant.ge/eng/?id=1175 Are you suggesting that he was lying, as usual?

Being modern does not mean supporting stupid and obviously very inefficient design... Finland, Denmark and Sweden always rank as a most modern countries in the world and they prefer low rise buildings. Do you know which countries are racing for the tallest buildings in the world nowadays? Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the latter planning to build 1001 floor building. Which club do you want Georgia to belong? Can and should we compete on building's height?


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Cyberclubber, tell me why chexuri is my elevator and why do you think that I have never been in a modern elevators? Why do you think that if someone does not support stupid and inefficient design supposed to know only chexuri elevators? Should I reply in a same manner and ask how many times your modern elevators supposed to stop on average per trip and what will be average waiting time for people entering and leaving the elevator? what will be the total average time per elevator trip including time that 10+ passengers will need to arrive to various floors of the 30+ store university? Even if the average stops are 4 and time needed for doors to open/close and people to enter/leave is 50 sec, will not you gate the total trip time the same 4 min, as I wrote? As to the efficiency, buying and installation budget for 8 modern elevators will be as a minimum USD 3 Million. If you depreciate it in 10 years, you are getting USD 300,000 per year or USD 750 per year per student (for 400 students, as used in calculations). And this is just depreciation, you also need to add maintenance and electricity costs, which should be of the same magnitude. If you were student or student's parent, would you pay USD 1000 or more per year just for elevator costs?

As to the purpose of the building - This is Misha who named this building a future Batumi Technical University when he was showing the pictures of this building to Americans. You can see him saying this from the 45 sec in the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5lVpzRbRlA or in this link http://www.commersant.ge/eng/?id=1175 Are you suggesting that he was lying, as usual?

Being modern does not mean supporting stupid and obviously very inefficient design... Finland, Denmark and Sweden always rank as a most modern countries in the world and they prefer low rise buildings. Do you know which countries are racing for the tallest buildings in the world nowadays? Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the latter planning to build 1001 floor building. Which club do you want Georgia to belong? Can and should we compete on building's height?

I'm not cyberclubber. In the case of a university, who will own it? and do you htink only 450 students will attend it annually? The university I studied in was attended by ten times more. and YES, it had multiple buildings, at least ten, and each building included at least 2 elevators. That's more than 20 elevators total. How do you think university affords it? And do not forget, Georgian costs are cheaper only because labor costs ten times less. As to the chexuri, I was only comparing a regular elevator to chexuri. ANd even if you divide the one minute by ten. and add each of those ten seconds to the minute, leaving and entering time of twenty seconds, 5 minutes should be enough for the elevator to make the round trip. Never expected such pessimism in someone who would overwhelmingly support his views this much. Yes helsinki IS supporting low rise because they have limits, and entire finnish population is less than georgia's, and helsinki houses almost half of the country. SO does Oslo, about 20%. and they have highrises. Denmark's population is spread out and nobody wants to live in the city because it's expensive. When I earn enough, I will also want to live in the rural areas such as wyneti and msxaldidi. but what about the rest of the cities? such that ran out of space, amsterdam, madrid, barcelona? remember, my student cities with LIMITED SPACES, that STILL support demands for population, WILL build skyscrapers, until nobody else wants to live or conduct businesses there for the price anymore. New york city grew because businesses there are being supported heavily and more and more people could afford such high rise luxury for such a high price. Batumi has limited space, they don't want ot expand to maxinjauri village nor to xelvachauri, because there are rural rules and nobody will sell them the place, not to mention government restrictions to building in villages. All the businesses are in batumi, and batumi demands growth, so since they can't expand, OUT, they expand UP Golden rule. I respect your pessimism because big mike has said and never delivered on some occasions, but let's wait and see how this will turn out. The building is not being built for nothing, like the ryugyung hotel was in north korea, there will be something there.
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I'm not cyberclubber. In the case of a university, who will own it? and do you htink only 450 students will attend it annually? The university I studied in was attended by ten times more. and YES, it had multiple buildings, at least ten, and each building included at least 2 elevators. That's more than 20 elevators total. How do you think university affords it? And do not forget, Georgian costs are cheaper only because labor costs ten times less. As to the chexuri, I was only comparing a regular elevator to chexuri. ANd even if you divide the one minute by ten. and add each of those ten seconds to the minute, leaving and entering time of twenty seconds, 5 minutes should be enough for the elevator to make the round trip. Never expected such pessimism in someone who would overwhelmingly support his views this much. Yes helsinki IS supporting low rise because they have limits, and entire finnish population is less than georgia's, and helsinki houses almost half of the country. SO does Oslo, about 20%. and they have highrises. Denmark's population is spread out and nobody wants to live in the city because it's expensive. When I earn enough, I will also want to live in the rural areas such as wyneti and msxaldidi. but what about the rest of the cities? such that ran out of space, amsterdam, madrid, barcelona? remember, my student cities with LIMITED SPACES, that STILL support demands for population, WILL build skyscrapers, until nobody else wants to live or conduct businesses there for the price anymore. New york city grew because businesses there are being supported heavily and more and more people could afford such high rise luxury for such a high price. Batumi has limited space, they don't want ot expand to maxinjauri village nor to xelvachauri, because there are rural rules and nobody will sell them the place, not to mention government restrictions to building in villages. All the businesses are in batumi, and batumi demands growth, so since they can't expand, OUT, they expand UP Golden rule. I respect your pessimism because big mike has said and never delivered on some occasions, but let's wait and see how this will turn out. The building is not being built for nothing, like the ryugyung hotel was in north korea, there will be something there.
Dear Kekho,
Sorry for the confusion regarding the name.
1. Why 400 students per year - If the building should accommodate 1000 students, the need for elevators will increase at least 2 times and there will not be any space left for classrooms, only elevators, stare-cases, walls and toilets. I again took your advise, divided a minute by 10 and received 6 sec, then multiplied it by 30 (number of floors) and received 180 sec (3 min) plus 20 sec (stops) multiplied by 4 and received 80 sec. When elevator stops 4 times, its trip time covering 30 floors is longer compared to the case, if it traveled from 0 floor to 30 floor without stops, because, after stops, it needs to start from 0 speed (basic physics). So, in total, more than 4 min per trip in one direction, as I wrote earlier. So, your math requires revision.
2. Comparing Your University to Batumi Narrow Tower with Wheel This very tall building with approximately 10,000 sq.m. gross area space will have only 2000-2500 sq.m. net space due to its inefficiency (the rest will be walls, toilets, elevators, corridors, staircases, etc). 2,000-2,500 sq.m. or more is a typical floor area of Universities in Europe and US and thus they can accommodate at least 2 times more students than Batumi narrow tower building even if they are just 3 floor buildings. If your University had 10 such buildings, it could easily accommodate even 20 times more students. When the buildings have big floor area and few floors (say 3-5), students do not need to use elevators frequently as long as most of the classes are at the same floor, or a floor above /bellow, and these large floors can accommodate sufficient number of classrooms. Therefore 20 elevators can be perfectly sufficient even for 10-20 times more students. 20 elevators that travel 2-5 floors only consume 6-12 times less electricity than elevators in 30+ floor building. Plus, 20 elevators for at least 10 times more students, means there are 4 times more elevators per student in Batumi Narrow Tower than in your University consuming at least 6 times more electricity. This implies that elevator costs in US standard university is less than USD 250 per Year per student, which constitutes 0.5% of the everage USD 50,000 tuition and living expenses in US (for Bachelors), while USD 1,000 is more than 30%(!!!!!!!) of the current average tuition expenses in Georgia.
3. Scandinavia - Let me help you with more arguments. These nordic countries manly have soft soils, which increases foundation costs for high-rise. As Scandinavians are more rational, they do not waste money and therefore they consistently rank among the most competitive and modern.
4. Skyscrapers in Batumi - I am not against skyscrapers in Batumi, although the city not uses efficiently even 30% of the available land area - I am against very narrow 30+ floor building used as University and consider that Kutaisi is better for Georgian students due to its more central location and relatively low costs. Batumi already has good number of existing and potential functions and Kutaisi needs more attention and development. If developed in Batumi, International University will make Batumi even more expensive and less affordable for Georgian students. My assumption is that International level education should be affordable for talented Georgians and it should not target just international students.
5. remember, my student Although ironic, I am not angry with that, cause the student should be somebody who knows less than a teacher. I actually appreciate your emotional support for constructions of modern looking buildings. These emotions are patriotic and I appreciate that. But Kekho, lets agree that this resemblance should not be just superficial. US or European high rise buildings are very well designed and calculated and unfortunately Batumi Narrow Tower is awfully calculated and simply impossible to be approved my Americans for the University building for the very obvious reasons as they perfectly know economics of the buildings, does not matter how much Misha wants to push the case. So, somebody should advise him that he should stop promoting this building as a future International University - Potential interested American Universities might evaluate the suitability of this narrow tall building and will think that Georgians are not prepared for the International University development as long as we even do not understand very basic requirements/parameters of the university buildings.

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