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Old September 25th, 2009, 03:35 AM   #1
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Australian High Speed Rail Discussion

i have started this forum to discuss high speed rail for australia it will be very important to australias future with a increasing population and growing economy it will help to gorw australias economy and tourism but our politicians keep making the excuse that its unaffordable or too hard but its a very good climate change policy too get planes out of the sky and and have something more efficient.high speed rail could first be biult from sydney to canberra then on to melbourne then later onto brisbane in the form of a maglev or VHST like in japan or european countrys,the usa has came out with its high speed rail plan as well as other countries less richer or poputated than NSW itself.
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Old September 25th, 2009, 03:37 AM   #2
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I think the best idea is linking Sydney-Canberra-Albury-Melbourne. Thats where most of Australias business and government is, so it only makes sense that the government builds it through there.
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Old September 25th, 2009, 03:40 AM   #3
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not this again....its NOT economical / feasible people.
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Sydney to Melbourne makes the most sense, but flying is that much cheaper that it would take some serious changes to make high speed rail viable between the two..
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Old September 25th, 2009, 03:47 AM   #5
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For shizzle. What about just Canberra and Sydney for the sake of the airport? Canberra Airport is going to be pretty big in a few years, it could take some serious pressure off Sydney if they have a high speed rail network between the two. Still probably wouldn't be economically viable though.
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Old September 25th, 2009, 04:25 AM   #6
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just buy some tilt trains that work... 250kmh is fast enough for us no need for magical 500kmh or even 300
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Old September 25th, 2009, 04:29 AM   #7
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I have been on the Shanghai Maglev mmmm 450km/h!

It's like a cross between a space shuttle and a rollercoaster. Five minutes and you are in Pudong.
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just buy some tilt trains that work... 250kmh is fast enough for us no need for magical 500kmh or even 300
Pfft you are boring. Go hard or go home ... It's maglev or don't bother IMO.
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Boeing 873 km/h.... i think we have a winner!

Nah, maglevity all the way from airports to cbd and such... but planes are it tho for inter city travel, or maybe a canon
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Boeing 873 km/h.... i think we have a winner!

Nah, maglevity all the way from airports to cbd and such... but planes are it tho for inter city travel, or maybe a canon
The maglevs are capable of much higher speeds, 450 is what it's limited to on the SIA to pudong line. The JR MLX-001 can manage over 600km/h in testing.

You have to remember with a maglev the loading and unloading time is instantaneous and it's not affected by fog, storms, rain, and other weather happenings. The slightly lower speed is offset by the convenience of use and the ability of the service to be point to point rather than forcing us to catch connection modes of transport. A maglev between Sydney and Canberra would kill the airtravel on the same route and albeit be far cheaper too no doubt. I think there comes a distance where intercity Maglev far exceeds airtravel in usability and convenience.

Who here has been on a Maglev???? If any of you do go to Shanghai it's a must do. It's cheap too.
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Oh Canberra is workable but why would you want to go there... unless its used as the 2nd airport for syd, but there isn't any point having a maglev to melb, the cost is always going to be too prohibitive. Just fix up the airport connections at both ends.
And besides the canon idea is far more personalised, it gets you exactly to where you want to go...
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Oh Canberra is workable but why would you want to go there... unless its used as the 2nd airport for syd, but there isn't any point having a maglev to melb, the cost is always going to be too prohibitive. Just fix up the airport connections at both ends.
And besides the canon idea is far more personalised, it gets you exactly to where you want to go...
A canon would likely have to be powered by a maglev gun and imagine the G-forces. The results could look like a clip from the movie scanners.

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I've been to every high speed rail in Western Europe.

High speed rail will become more economical because of the upcoming Emissions Trading Scheme. It effectively puts tax on transports which relies on carbon emission such as planes and motor vehicles.

Spain has done a tremendous job in linking their major cities with high speed rail. By next year, Spain will have more high speed rail tracks than France or Japan.
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I went on the maglev in Shanghai. Very impressive indeed.

Although... In Australia? Not sure. It's certainly quite a different kettle of fish as opposed to European countries.

Australia's distances may simply be better covered by air.
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How is it possible that Newcastle, CC, Sydney, Wollongong, to Canberra would be better covered by air? It's not logical at all.
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How is it possible that Newcastle, CC, Sydney, Wollongong, to Canberra would be better covered by air? It's not logical at all.
I think the longest time a train passenger can handle is about 4hrs from city centre to city centre. Anything more time-consuming will still make air-travel attractive.

The question is whether a high speed rail of 350km/h travel from Sydney Central Station to Melbourne Flinder Stt/Southern Cross Station including a stop-over at Canberra?
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actually most of those locations are so close that really building a 160km/h train is enough to beat the convenience of a car for the trips.

I like the idea of linking Canberra to Sydney at 300km/h (or 500 in a maglev) though. use of the airport as a second for Sydney could be handy.

the problem with the connection Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne is the cost of getting from Canberra through the range to Albury in a direct manner. big tunnel!
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the problem with the connection Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne is the cost of getting from Canberra through the range to Albury in a direct manner. big tunnel!
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Spain have mountainous terrains and there are extensive tunnels just for high speed rails.
Fast-track the video to 2:00min. You will see the type of terrain Spanish AVE go through.
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I'm not saying it isn't possible but when it isn't really that economically feasible along the normal route spending $2 billion on a tunnel to save 30 minutes of trip time isn't going to help the budget!

now if Canberra was a city of 1 million in the same way that the Spanish, Korean, Japanese and Taiwanese systems are linking population centres over shorter distances it woudl be worthwhile in Australia but the fact is that we are linking 2 cities of 4 million and one of 400,000 over 900km.

in Spain you get from Madrid (5 million) to Barcelona (4 million) via Zaragoza (600,000) over 600km.

purely an economic decision.
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It is an economical and environmental decision. One has to factor in how to accommodate up to 300,000 new migrants annually over the next decades to come. It makes sense to renew towns along the high speed rail corridor to promote cheaper accommodation.

Promoting people to be more mobile in X amount of time reduces unemployment like how train system in Holland/France/Japan/Taiwan/Korea/Spain has.

It's a total transformative piece of infrastructure.

Australia has exploited the large geographical land mass for positive benefits such as resource boom and bio-diversity which has generated unparalleled wealth to this economy. But it must face up to the negative implications which will inevitably cost us. How to stretch our infrastructure and services over a large land mass efficiently.

Using our large geographic mass and spread out density should not be used for our complacency to plan ahead.
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