好奇問一下臺灣的物價

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byoker

Discussion Starter · Apr 16, 2006 (Edited)

這段時間大陸炒臺灣物價很多的，我想問一下臺灣的物價水準究竟怎樣，這裏是大陸的物價水準，匯率兌換大概是1RMB兌換1港幣,4台幣（NT）
衣：一般水準，去大商場買衣服，大概都是100RMB多一些，也大概就是110~140左右，外套差不多100~120，褲子大概是80~110。鞋子是從60到120不等。
食:最便宜的麵食3元，炒飯5元~7元。點菜一分菜從十幾元到50元不等，一般請人吃頓飯從70到100多不等。自助火鍋大概是20多元一人。
住：房價各地的差異很大，上海市最貴的，1平方米（一坪為3.3平方米）為8000可能還不止，廣州深圳為6000，一般省會城市為3000以上。
行：上海輕軌票價2元起價，最高5元。公車2元起價，最高5元，計程車也是各地差異很大，上海10元起價，一公里接近2元；一般省會城市5~8元起價，1.5左右一公里。
自行車200多元一輛，電動車1000元多，摩托車2500~8000，汽車10萬~40萬，當然小於10萬的也有。
飛機票價格不打折大概是從上海到北京為1400，從中國到歐洲或者美國是4000元左右。
用:電視機純平21寸1000元左右，29~31寸為2000~4000不等，液晶（電漿）7000以上。
冰箱一般是從1000~4000元不等
洗衣機一般是，非全自動400~800，全自動1000多。
空調（空氣調節器）；掛式的1000多，立式的4000多
電腦：一般配置是５０００元左右，筆記本一萬元左右。
手機（移動電話），500多的也有，但是一般是1000元左右。
上網費0.5元一分鐘，固定電話本地0.3元一分鐘，外地大概0.7元。ＩＣ卡大概是本地０。５，外地０．７，移動電話本地０．５，外地一元左右。發短信０．１元一條。
傢俱：大衣櫃為２０００～３０００，床１０００多。
書本；一本書多集中在十幾元到３０多元之間。
工資：一般大學本科畢業生剛參加工作不交稅的月薪為2000多。

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laikuanchi

· #2 · Apr 16, 2006

byoker said:
這段時間大陸炒臺灣物價很多的，我想問一下臺灣的物價水準究竟怎樣，這裏是大陸的物價水準，匯率兌換大概是1RMB兌換1港幣,4台幣（NT）
衣：一般水準，去大商場買衣服，大概都是100RMB多一些，也大概就是110~140左右，外套差不多100~120，褲子大概是80~110。鞋子是從60到120不等。
食:最便宜的麵食3元，炒飯5元~7元。點菜一分菜從十幾元到50元不等，一般請人吃頓飯從70到100多不等。自助火鍋大概是20多元一人。
住：房價各地的差異很大，上海市最貴的，1平方米（一坪為3.3平方米）為8000可能還不止，廣州深圳為6000，一般省會城市為3000以上。
行：上海輕軌票價2元起價，最高5元。公車2元起價，最高5元，計程車也是各地差異很大，上海10元起價，一公里接近2元；一般省會城市5~8元起價，1.5左右一公里。
自行車200多元一輛，電動車1000元多，摩托車2500~8000，汽車10萬~40萬，當然小於10萬的也有。
飛機票價格不打折大概是從上海到北京為1400，從中國到歐洲或者美國是4000元左右。
用:電視機純平21寸1000元左右，29~31寸為2000~4000不等，液晶（電漿）7000以上。
冰箱一般是從1000~4000元不等
洗衣機一般是，非全自動400~800，全自動1000多。
空調（空氣調節器）；掛式的1000多，立式的4000多
電腦：一般配置是５０００元左右，筆記本一萬元左右。
手機（移動電話），500多的也有，但是一般是1000元左右。
上網費0.5元一分鐘，固定電話本地0.3元一分鐘，外地大概0.7元。ＩＣ卡大概是本地０。５，外地０．７，移動電話本地０．５，外地一元左右。發短信０．１元一條。
傢俱：大衣櫃為２０００～３０００，床１０００多。
書本；一本書多集中在十幾元到３０多元之間。
工資：一般大學本科畢業生剛參加工作不交稅的月薪為2000多。

In short, everything in Taiwan is about 4-6 times more expensive (with the exception of electronics and airfare since these products and services have costs that are high regardless of the economic performance of the country)

Taiwan's GDP per capita, computed by Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) is indeed 4.5 times more than China's (26700 vs 6200 USD).
However, Taiwan's GDP per capita, computed by nominal exchange rate is actually 10.5 times more than China's (13450 vs 1300 USD).

The above comparisons shows that Taiwanese absolute income is 10.5 times as Chinese, but since consumer prices are much more expensive in Taiwan, Taiwanese only enjoy 4.5 times more income than Chinese.

Note that Hong Kong is also pretty much similar to Taiwan.

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byoker

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 17, 2006

1300 USD

Now it is 1703 USD，in Shanghai and Hangzhou,GDP per capital had passed 5000 USD.It is said that Shenzhen will surpassed 10000 USD in 2008.

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superchan7

· #4 · Apr 17, 2006

I noticed that eating is much more expensive in Taiwan than in Hong Kong for just normal everyday food. I'm not sure about foodstuffs prices in, say, supermarkets.

Housing costs are abnormally high, enough to force HK onto the list of world's most expensive cities for living cost, even taking the first spot a few times.

This cost disparity is reflected in the GDP per capita, which is US 38,000 PPP and 27,000 nominal.

I am anxious for Chinese cities' GDP to surpass 10,000.

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laikuanchi

· #5 · Apr 17, 2006

byoker said:
Now it is 1703 USD，in Shanghai and Hangzhou,GDP per capital had passed 5000 USD.It is said that Shenzhen will surpassed 10000 USD in 2008.

Haha, I know it's true that cities like Shanhai and Shenzhen in China have much higher income and better quality of life than other parts of the country. However, we are talking about averages of the whole country. Taiwan is a country where income disparity is not so obvious between urban and rural areas, consumer prices are also pretty much the same across cities and countrysides.
It is kind of ironic that there are a few extremely rich people in "communists" China, but a whole crowd of people starving, earning much less than the national average.

p.s. your numbers are probably quoted from Chinese government and press, which I doubt if it's reliable (not that I don't think it's now higher than I reported , but definitely not that high).

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superchan7

· #6 · Apr 17, 2006

Middle class population in China has surpassed 200 million. The government's economic reform has lifted 400 million people out of starvation in the past two decades. China should now promote sustainable business policy and promote entrepreneurship while cracking down on regional govt. corruption so that business can flourish. China must also reform its education system to inject better moral standards into the poorer areas.

It will still be a while before the average Chinese can afford a decent lifestyle, but we should remember that removing 400 million people from destitution is quite different from bringing wealth to the Taiwanese workforce of 15 million. Both happened in the span of 2-3 decades.

Also important is that China's development started from scratch after the Cultural Revolution completely destroyed the entire country's economy and education system. China is now rising from black ashes.

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Isan

· #7 · Apr 22, 2006

Cheaper than Hong Kong and Japan
Resemble to Singapore and North America cities
and
compared with Bangkok and SEA countries that expensive than ever

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byoker

Discussion Starter · #8 · Apr 22, 2006 (Edited)

Haha, I know it's true that cities like Shanhai and Shenzhen in China have much higher income and better quality of life than other parts of the country. However, we are talking about averages of the whole country. Taiwan is a country where income disparity is not so obvious between urban and rural areas, consumer prices are also pretty much the same across cities and countrysides.

Shanghai and Shenzhen area are as large as Taiwan,population is also as large as Taiwan,so it is right.We should compare with same condition,many poor provinces' traffic is very hard,far from sea,can't compare.

Cheaper than Hong Kong and Japan,Resemble to Singapore and North America cities and compared with Bangkok and SEA countries that expensive than ever

接近新加坡和北美城市，不會吧。
新加坡的匯率大概是5RMB兌換一新元。

以下都是以新元來算：

房間：20平方米左右房租400-600元
2人同住房屋：
規模面積房租水電
2室1廳 70-75平方米 900-1200元 60-120元
3室1廳 90-100平方米 1200-1500元 120-200元
3室2廳 100-130平方米 1500-2000元 150-250元

食物：單位價格
米 1公斤 0.80-1.80元
食油 1公斤 2.50-4.00元
蔬菜 1公斤 1.20-4.00元
魚 1公斤 2.00-15.00元
蝦 1公斤 5.00-30.00元
豬肉 1公斤 4.50-7.00元
牛 1公斤 6.00-10.00元
羊 1公斤 5.00-8.00元
雞 1公斤 5.00-10.00元
鴨 1公斤 5.00-10.00元

上述价格最低也接近2倍，一般是3倍，再看看下面的一段游记：
短短一段路，打車11.5新元，將近人民幣60元。很普通的酒店，我第一次見到那麼窄小的電梯，只容三、四人，在網上預定的房價是42.75美元，臨時登記會更貴。因為第二天一早就要飛香港，我問有沒有新加坡半日遊，結果只剩下一個聖淘沙的項目，54新元，相當於人民幣270元，很貴。

北美最便宜的大概是加拿大的物價水準，
匯率是7RMB兌換1加拿大元。
衣，國內的衣服一、二百元（人民幣）一件的居多，當然在地攤上幾十元的衣服也不少，。加拿大的衣服大多幾十元（加元）一件。
食，在加拿大一個人用於吃飯的支出大約一百到一百五十加元（自己做飯）。
住，在加拿大租一套一室一廳的單元房（五、六十平米左右）一個月五百到六百塊加元。
二十萬加元在加拿大可以買到一處不錯的House（一百平米以上）。
行，加拿大的公共汽車兩塊錢在90分鐘內隨便坐，國內的公車大多一塊錢一次。
買車和開車的成本，在加拿大就比在國內低得多。國外的車價低就不用多說了，我買了輛二手2002 Ford Focus，只花了八千加元，這在國內沒有十萬塊錢人民幣是買不到的。

除了汽车房子以外，其他也都差不多2.5~3倍左右。

至於除此以外的東南亞國家，人均GDP比大陆高的就只有馬來西亞和泰國，汶萊當然排除在外。
泰國的人均GDP和山東廣東差不多，比浙江和江蘇低，人口也少一些。
物價水準的確和大陸差不多，
而馬來西亞大概是2.5RMB兌換一馬幣，其人均GDP接近浙江的1.5倍，從結果來看，物價接近兩倍

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superchan7

· #9 · Apr 22, 2006

Maybe he is talking about PPP when comparing to Singapore/North America.

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Panchiaonian

· #10 · Apr 23, 2006 (Edited)

byoker said:
Shanghai and Shenzhen area are as large as Taiwan,population is also as large as Taiwan,so it is right.We should compare with same condition,many poor provinces' traffic is very hard,far from sea,can't compare.

I doubt.
Taiwan's land area is around 36000 km square. Shanghai on the other hand is around 6000 km square, which is 1/6 of Taiwan.
The population of Taiwan is approaching 23 million, while shanghai metropolitan's population is 17 million (10 million within the city limit), which is 3/4 of Taiwan's.

byoker said:
接近新加坡和北美城市，不會吧。
新加坡的匯率大概是5RMB兌換一新元。

以下都是以新元來算：

房間：20平方米左右房租400-600元
2人同住房屋：
規模面積房租水電
2室1廳 70-75平方米 900-1200元 60-120元
3室1廳 90-100平方米 1200-1500元 120-200元
3室2廳 100-130平方米 1500-2000元 150-250元

食物：單位價格
米 1公斤 0.80-1.80元
食油 1公斤 2.50-4.00元
蔬菜 1公斤 1.20-4.00元
魚 1公斤 2.00-15.00元
蝦 1公斤 5.00-30.00元
豬肉 1公斤 4.50-7.00元
牛 1公斤 6.00-10.00元
羊 1公斤 5.00-8.00元
雞 1公斤 5.00-10.00元
鴨 1公斤 5.00-10.00元

上述价格最低也接近2倍，一般是3倍，再看看下面的一段游记：
短短一段路，打車11.5新元，將近人民幣60元。很普通的酒店，我第一次見到那麼窄小的電梯，只容三、四人，在網上預定的房價是42.75美元，臨時登記會更貴。因為第二天一早就要飛香港，我問有沒有新加坡半日遊，結果只剩下一個聖淘沙的項目，54新元，相當於人民幣270元，很貴。

北美最便宜的大概是加拿大的物價水準，
匯率是7RMB兌換1加拿大元。
衣，國內的衣服一、二百元（人民幣）一件的居多，當然在地攤上幾十元的衣服也不少，。加拿大的衣服大多幾十元（加元）一件。
食，在加拿大一個人用於吃飯的支出大約一百到一百五十加元（自己做飯）。
住，在加拿大租一套一室一廳的單元房（五、六十平米左右）一個月五百到六百塊加元。
二十萬加元在加拿大可以買到一處不錯的House（一百平米以上）。
行，加拿大的公共汽車兩塊錢在90分鐘內隨便坐，國內的公車大多一塊錢一次。
買車和開車的成本，在加拿大就比在國內低得多。國外的車價低就不用多說了，我買了輛二手2002 Ford Focus，只花了八千加元，這在國內沒有十萬塊錢人民幣是買不到的。

除了汽车房子以外，其他也都差不多2.5~3倍左右。

至於除此以外的東南亞國家，人均GDP比大陆高的就只有馬來西亞和泰國，汶萊當然排除在外。
泰國的人均GDP和山東廣東差不多，比浙江和江蘇低，人口也少一些。
物價水準的確和大陸差不多，
而馬來西亞大概是2.5RMB兌換一馬幣，其人均GDP接近浙江的1.5倍，從結果來看，物價接近兩倍

I don't think the CPI in Taiwan is on par with that of Singapore or North America. When you compare GDP/capita of the three places, Taiwan's figure is significantly lower than the other two; however, when you compare PPP/capita of the three places, Taiwan's figure is similar to that of Singapore, and 80% of the Canadian figure. Having said that means Taiwan's CPI should be much lower than the CPIs in Singapore and North America, but a typical Taiwanese has similar amount of economic activities as a typical singaporean.
That's why when we compare PPP/ capita, Taiwan's figure has that huge jump ahead.

One more point, the price level across tha island is not constant. That means products and services are usually more expensive in Taipei than in, let's say, Pentung. So while the price level in Taiwan is lower than that in the city of Singapore, the price level in Taipei city is probably comparable to Singapore city or North American cities.
The costs for accommodation in Taipei are usually much higher than those in typical North American cities. With the same amount of money, you can probably buy a 3-storey big house with 2 yards and garages in a normal North American city, but you can only buy a medium sized apartment suite in the city of Taipei.

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Pangu

· #11 · Apr 23, 2006

Panchiaonian said:
The costs for accommodation in Taipei are usually much higher than those in typical North American cities. With the same amount of money, you can probably buy a 3-storey big house with 2 yards and garages in a normal North American city, but you can only buy a medium sized apartment suite in the city of Taipei.

That was the case for my family, and many others whom we know, when we moved to the U.S.

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pierre-laurent

· #12 · Apr 23, 2006

Pangu said:
That was the case for my family, and many others whom we know, when we moved to the U.S.

i'm less lucky than you, since my arrival in the parisian area, my flat has narrowed...

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