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http://www.publicaccess.manchester....lication_detailview.aspx?caseno=KIEJKCBC06N00
10-12 Whitworth Street West, Manchester

Erection of 18 storey hotel, restaurant/bar at first floor, conference facilities at second floor, including a separate ancillary unit at ground floor to be used for Class A1, A2, A3, A4, B1(a), B1(b), C1, D1 or D2 purposes

 

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http://pillohotels.com/site/pillo_developments.html
The first site for a Pillo Hotel was secured in autumn 2008. Pillo Hotel Manchester is currently in development with an anticipated opening date in early 2011.

Location: Convention Quarter
Value: €27 million investment
Employment: Creating 80 fulltime work positions
Facilities: 285 bedrooms / restaurant & bar / 8 dedicated meeting rooms
Project Manager: DBK Group www.dbkgroup.com
Architect: HKR Architects www.hkrarchitects.com
 

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I do like the inspiration of the cladding, this linen idea.. it's a nice little building, I just don't know if I like it sat adjacent to Axis and Beetham, they don't sit together well (I think anyway) mainly due to the smaller two being so similiar in size.. Imagine if the office block had gone up on Beetham too.. that'd have at least made it a little more exciting, lol..
 

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their official line on axis is they have funding from alliance and leicester, now part of santander and NOT a toxic debt drowning basket case in, BUT they are weighing up the right time to build.

property people are like sheep. once one breaks away and starts building spec again the rest will follow. for now, no one wants to look stupid, bringing space forward in an unpredictably long recession,.
 

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property people are like sheep. once one breaks away and starts building spec again the rest will follow. for now, no one wants to look stupid, bringing space forward in an unpredictably long recession,.
Truest words spoken about developers on here for a while.
 

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Just done a bit of fishing and look what I've found. This render should put a few cat's among the pigeons. CABE review below. They're not happy.



Introduction
This section of Whitworth Street West has a particular historic character dominated by consistent use of Victorian brickwork, which includes the existing building on the site itself. We comment on this application on the assumption that re-use of the existing warehouse has been proved to the local authority as neither feasible nor desirable.

What is proposed is very different in both scale and materiality to its context. While we are satisfied, in principle, that this could be appropriate, the building’s success will ultimately be dependant on excellent design quality and execution. We question the appropriateness of the expression of the south elevation. We also have strong reservations about the credibility of the design: while the folded façade design ideas are promising, if executed in cheap materials with design concepts compromised by financial constraints, this could become another undistinguished slab block. There is little evidence in the application that the detailed design and materials will be of sufficiently high quality for Manchester City Council’s aspirations for this building to be achieved and we urge the local planning authority to request that the applicant submits further detailed material on the façade design and construction. We cannot support the planning application in its current form.

Architectural treatment
While we support the principle of the folded façade concept to the north elevation, the south elevation appears weak in comparison. Although the upper part of the south elevation is more prominent in long views than the north façade it retains the feel of a rear elevation and we recommend that the treatment is reconsidered. The disappointing absence of articulation is also clearly revealed in the highly visible east and west elevations as south elevation wraps around.

Materials and detailing
We have strong reservations about the credibility of the façade treatments proposed. Tall buildings are expensive to build and an appropriate tall building on this prominent site should set a very high standard of quality in design and construction. The proposed folded façade concept shows promise and could generate a sophisticated articulated treatment but we do not believe that high quality materials and construction techniques are feasible within the typical construction budget for a “premium budget” hotel. The applicant and design team will, therefore, need to demonstrate commitment to a level of investment in the facades that is appropriate to the height and gateway location of this building.

The materials indicated on the application drawings are not specific enough to guarantee that they will be of an appropriate quality. A budget rain-screen system is unlikely to be robust or durable enough to look good in the long term or allow the folded concepts to translate effectively. We welcome the additional information on the nature of the folded cladding concept within the application addendum but this does not go far enough in resolving the detailing issues that are inherent in its geometry, for example, the window reveals, corner junctions and vertical junctions between panels in the western elevation. The visualisations imply lightness and finesse in the construction detailing and the local authority should be sure that this can be achieved. Because the windows are so small, if the detailing lacks refinement the building will appear heavy and unwelcoming.

Conclusion
The success of this development will be dependant on high quality detailed design and the choice of appropriate materials, and will be very sensitive to any reduction in quality. It is important to be sure that the standard of detailing and materials will not be diluted throughout the process of detailed design, procurement and construction. The current application leaves much open to interpretation, and as a result, there is scope for significant reduction in quality. The opportunity to influence the quality of the facades will be limited once an approval is in place. Therefore, in view of our concern about the credibility of the design, we urge the local authority to request that much more detailed and prescriptive information on the proposed cladding systems and key construction details is added to the application before it is determined, rather than allowing this to be dealt with by condition. We cannot lend our support to this application without evidence that the approach to materials and detailing has been more definitively secured.
 

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well put cabe.


incidentally, did cabe take a look at 2-4 oxford road. i personally find the design to be one of the worst i've seen for manchester for any location and also they are putting it in a very prominent location not far from great architecture and old buildings.
 
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