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Large Metro Areas Pop. 1,250,000+

1. Fort Worth-Arlington TX
2. Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro TN
3. Kansas City MO-KS
4. Indianapolis-Carmel IN
5. Austin-Round Rock TX
6. Pittsburgh PA
7. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington MN-WI
8. Cambridge-Newton-Framingham MA
9. St. Louis MO-IL
10. Cincinnati-Middletown OH-KY-IN
11. Columbus OH
12. San Antonio TX
13. Dallas-Plano-Irving TX
14. Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn MI
15. Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News NA-NC
16. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta GA
17. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale AZ
18. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown TX
19. Memphis TN-MS-AR
20. Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord NC-SC
21. Denver-Aurora CO
22. Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor OH
23. Warren-Troy-Farmington Hills MI
24. Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton OR-WA
25. New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner LA
26. Las Vegas-Paradise NV
27. San Francisco-San Mateo-Redwood City CA
28. Boston-Quincy MA
29. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara CA
30. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater FL
31. Seattle-Bellevue-Everett WA
32. Edison NJ
33. Santa Ana-Anaheim-Irvine CA
34. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis WI
35. Nassau-Suffolk NY
36. Orlando-Kissimmee FL
37. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos CA
38. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria DC-VA-MD-WV
39. Oakland-Fremont-Hayward CA
40. Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville CA
41. Baltimore-Towson MD
42. Newark-Union NJ-PA
43. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario CA
44. Providence-New Bedford-Fall River RI-MA
45. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Glendale CA
46. Philadelphia PA
47. Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach-Deerfield FL
48. Chicago-Naperville-Joliet IL
49. New York-White Plains-Wayne NY-NJ
50. Miami-Miami Beach-Kendall FL
 

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Another piece of crap list form a neo con perspective.

Lets just all move to the cheapest mobile home infested southern gettos and await the rapture.
 

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Yeah, some of the top cities are neo-con paradises...like Austin, Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Cambridge...
 

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For a neo-con list, I'm surprised San Francisco is that high up.

That said, there are an awful lot of Texas up there.
 

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Another piece of crap list form a neo con perspective.

Lets just all move to the cheapest mobile home infested southern gettos and await the rapture.
WTF? Care to point out this politicism? I don't see how a list of cities can be so political like it is for you.

Southern cities do well on this list because the cost of living is generally cheaper. It costs a lot more money to keep 3, 4, 5, or 6 people alive and well instead of just 1 or 2 people.
 

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I love the list! Nobody come to California, things are horrible here!!! ;)
 

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I suspect that most of the posters here don't have children. You would have to be a millionaire to raise a family well in Manhatten these days. Affordability is important when you are not just supporting yourself.

I am practically a socialist but I don't see how this list is neo-con, it is just a reflection of metros ranked by certain parameters that the authors of the list thought would be important to parents, rather than skyscraper geeks.

Edit: Minneapolis is not a mobile home infested southern ghetto by the way.
 

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I suspect that most of the posters here don't have children. You would have to be a millionaire to raise a family well in Manhatten these days. Affordability is important when you are not just supporting yourself.

I am practically a socialist but I don't see how this list is neo-con, it is just a reflection of metros ranked by certain parameters that the authors of the list thought would be important to parents, rather than skyscraper geeks.

Edit: Minneapolis is not a mobile home infested southern ghetto by the way.
Good post.

Furthermore, this list is mainly referring to the suburbs that surround these cities. Otherwise KC wouldn't be on the list. I wouldn't be too eager to send my kids to a school in the KCMO school district. On the other hand, Overland Park, KS has some of the best schools in the nation. I'm sure this is the case for most of the metros listed here.
 

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Medium Markets
(metro areas with populations
from 575,000 – 1,250,000)
Rankings: 1-50
1. Knoxville, TN
2. Wichita, KS
3. Raleigh-Cary, NC
4. Salt Lake City, UT
5. Oklahoma City, OK
6. Richmond, VA
7. El Paso, TX
8. Little Rock-North Little Rock, AR
9. McAllen-Edinburg-Mission, TX
10. Tulsa, OK
11. Greensboro-High Point, NC
12. Columbia, SC
13. Omaha-Council Bluffs, NE-IA
14. Tucson, AZ
15. Birmingham-Hoover, AL
16. Syracuse, NY
17. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY
18. Rochester, NY
19. New Haven-Milford, CT
20. Albuquerque, NM
21. Bethesda-Gaithersburg-Frederick, MD
22. Greenville, SC
23. Tacoma, WA
24. Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura, CA
25. Camden, NJ
26. Akron, OH
27. Youngstown-Warren-Boardman, OH-PA
28. Louisville-Jefferson County, KY-IN
29. Essex County, MA
30. Dayton, OH
31. Lake County-Kenosha County, IL-WI
32. Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice, FL
33. Springfield, MA
34. Baton Rouge, LA
35. Wilmington, DE-MD-NJ
36. Grand Rapids-Wyoming, MI
37. Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT
38. Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY
39. Jacksonville, FL
40. Worcester, MA
41. Gary, IN
42. Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT
43. Toledo, OH
44. Honolulu, HI
45. Bakersfield, CA
46. Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ
47. West Palm Beach-Boca Raton-
Boynton Beach, FL
48. Fresno, CA
49. Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown, NY
50. Stockton, CA


Small Markets
(metro areas with populations
from 350,000 – 575,000)
Rankings: 1-50
1. Provo-Orem, UT
2. Ogden-Clearfield, UT
3. Durham, NC
4. Colorado Springs, CO
5. Corpus Christi, TX
6. Madison, WI
7. Shreveport-Bossier City, LA
8. Des Moines-West Des Moines, IA
9. Spokane, WA
10. Rockingham County-Strafford County, NH
11. Springfield, MO
12. Winston-Salem, NC
13. Augusta-Richmond County, GA-SC
14. Boise City-Nampa, ID
15. Mobile, AL
16. Fayetteville-Springdale-Rogers, AR-MO
17. Beaumont-Port Arthur, TX
18. Fort Wayne, IN
19. Jackson, MS
20. Davenport-Moline-Rock Island, IA-IL
21. Trenton-Ewing, NJ
22. Vallejo-Fairfield, CA
23. Asheville, NC
24. Cape Coral-Fort Myers, FL
25. Santa Barbara-Santa Maria, CA
26. Charleston-North Charleston, SC
27. Manchester-Nashua, NH
28. Lexington-Fayette, KY
29. Brownsville-Harlingen, TX
30. Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA
31. Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA
32. Deltona-Daytona Beach-
Ormond Beach, FL
33. Peoria, IL
34. Pensacola-Ferry Pass-Brent, FL
35. Chattanooga, TN-GA
36. Lansing-East Lansing, MI
37. Portland-South Portland-Biddeford, ME
38. Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, FL
39. Reno-Sparks, NV
40. Lakeland, FL
41. Salinas, CA
42. Salem, OR
43. Canton-Massillon, OH
44. Flint, MI
45. Visalia-Porterville, CA
46. Lancaster, PA
47. Modesto, CA
48. Scranton-Wilkes-Barre, PA
49. Reading, PA
50. York-Hanover, PA
 

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I am practically a socialist but I don't see how this list is neo-con, it is just a reflection of metros ranked by certain parameters that the authors of the list thought would be important to parents, rather than skyscraper geeks.
Whether the people discussing in this forum are exclusively skyscraper geeks is not up to you to decide, but rather the same kind of put-down generalization that you are criticizing.

BTW, I would not want my family to live in a state like VA with gun laws that don't deserve the name. Quality of life is not purely dominated by the cost of living. Going down Highway One in California with all its beautiful towns and recreational areas is a different ballgame than driving around Oklahoma, Tennessee or Kansas.
 

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Whether the people discussing in this forum are exclusively skyscraper geeks is not up to you to decide, but rather the same kind of put-down generalization that you are criticizing.

BTW, I would not want my family to live in a state like VA with gun laws that don't deserve the name. Quality of life is not purely dominated by the cost of living. Going down Highway One in California with all its beautiful towns and recreational areas is a different ballgame than driving around Oklahoma, Tennessee or Kansas.
How many middle class families can actually afford a home on the California coast?

For most Americans, owning a decent home in a nice school districts *is paradise*, something that the scenery of the California coast or the tall buildings of Manhattan could never offer them on their salary.

But of course you wouldn't get that.
 

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How many middle class families can actually afford a home on the California coast?

For most Americans, owning a decent home in a nice school districts *is paradise*, something that the scenery of the California coast or the tall buildings of Manhattan could never offer them on their salary.

But of course you wouldn't get that.
California has over 35million people, Manhattan has 1.5million: there are plenty of middle class families there.
 
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