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5G in London by 2020, pledges Johnson

People living in London will be able to download films to their mobile phones in less than a second by 2020, Boris Johnson claims.

Smartphone owners will be able to download films to their mobiles in less than a second by 2020 as part of a roll-out that will start in London, Boris Johnson will pledge this week.​

Unveiling the capital’s first long term infrastructure investment plan, Mr Johnson said the world’s first major ‘5G’ mobile network will be deployed in the city by 2020, working in collaboration with the University of Surrey.

He claimed “London is earning a reputation for being the tech capital of Europe and that is why we need to ensure every Londoner is able to access the very best digital connectivity. Rapidly improving the connectivity of this great city is a key part of the Infrastructure Plan for London.”

The mayor will also promise that much more accurate information about broadband speeds at individual properties will be made available to prospective tenants or purchasers. He will also use the data, developed with the telecommunications industry, to develop a map of where improvement is needed most urgently. He said that a mixture of new technologies, as well as traditional broadband, are likely to be needed.

The plan will lay out Mr Johnson’s assessment of London’s infrastructure needs between now and 2050, with consultation beginning on some aspects in the near future. It will be the first ever attempt to state London’s needs and how much they might cost, and will also include proposals to reform the planning system to encourage infrastructure improvements.
 

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1) With what spectrum?
2) Even if he collaborates with a university, they'll need to commercialise the technology with either Ericsson, Nokia-Siemens or Huawei before they can bring it to market.

I'll believe it when I see it.
 

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I just graduated from Surrey University and theyre building a 5G research centre and have tens of millions in funding to conduct the research and develop 5G.
 

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I heard somewhere that the main justification for 5G is not as much the speeds that are possible but that it would make much more efficient use of radio spectrum, making it possible to have far more connections going on at one time than are possible right now.
 

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That doesn't answer either of my questions.
Who said I was trying to? Surprise surprise I'm not here to answer your questions if I don't know myself :)
 

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^^ apologies, it sounded like you were suggesting that having the research centre was a way that it could address those issues.
 

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South Korea to 'invest £900m in 5G development'

South Korea's science ministry is reportedly investing 1.6 trillion won (around £900m) in the development of 5G

The superfast mobile internet technology is speculated to download a 800MB film within a single second. Using current 4G technology, the process would take around 40 seconds.
5G could facilitate the streaming of 3D films or live ultra high-definition content on mobile devices, according to Samsung.

Expected to be fully implemented by December 2020, 5G will be first trialled in the country during 2017.

A science ministry spokesman said: "We helped fuel national growth with 2G services in the 1990s, 3G in the 2000s and 4G around 2010. Now it is time to take preemptive action to develop 5G.

"Countries in Europe, China and the US are making aggressive efforts to develop 5G technology ... and we believe there will be fierce competition in this market in a few years."

South Korea holds a 30 per cent stake in the global mobile market, where more than 78 per cent of its 50 million population use smartphones.

The full range of 5G services will be tested at 2018's PyeongChang Winter Olympics.
Last year Samsung announced what they called a 5G breakthrough, using much higher frequencies than those used for 4G which work over distances up to 2km.
 

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1) With what spectrum?
2) Even if he collaborates with a university, they'll need to commercialise the technology with either Ericsson, Nokia-Siemens or Huawei before they can bring it to market.

I'll believe it when I see it.
I write about telecoms for a living. The five main equipment vendors (Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson, Huawei, NSN [rebranding back to Nokia] and ZTE) are working together with operators and the industry standards organisations to develop 5G -- including GSMA, 3GPP and ETSI -- and the European Commission is playing an important funding role too*.

Boris Johnson has nothing to do with it at all. He has no influence on what the standards will be or where the first trials will take place. He is talking nonsense as usual. The Telegraph is promoting him because the owners see him as potentially the next Tory leader, if the Tories lose the next election. But that doesn't mean Johnson knows what he's talking about.

The current plan is that commercial trials will start from 2020, though real rollout wouldn't be until the middle of the decade. 4G is only just rolling out (apart from the US, where it's already common) and there's a lot of mileage in it yet.

So far few people, even the top researchers in the industry, have any clear idea what 5G will be.

Spectrum though will be wide, with 5G able to use everything from bits reclaimed from TV broadcasters right up to many gigahertz. Researchers I've talked to speak of the ability to use several widely separated bits of spectrum at once (the latest version of 4G, LTE-Advanced, already does a bit of that) and quickly swapping between different base stations and frequencies to make most use of all available spectrum.

*It was the Commission that promoted and oversaw the first international digital mobile standard, good old GSM. Without the Commission we'd still be needing different phones for every country we visited.
 

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I write about telecoms for a living. The five main equipment vendors (Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson, Huawei, NSN [rebranding back to Nokia] and ZTE) are working together with operators and the industry standards organisations to develop 5G -- including GSMA, 3GPP and ETSI -- and the European Commission is playing an important funding role too*.
Thank you for bringing the facts to support my snark. I'm a telco product manager with 8 years of experience, so I get a little jaded when I see misinformed articles like this that promise the world without an appreciable understanding of whats involved or any interest in fact-checking comments by an aggrandising politician.

It will be interesting to see how spectrum use is sliced up in later releases of LTE and indeed "5G". The carrier aggregation tests that are taking place in Korea and Australia are particularly exciting. My comment around spectrum was whether Boris intended to launch BorisNet (with what spectrum license?) or if he was intending on asking the Big Four carriers very nicely to please roll it out in London first or indeed before they're ready to begin their own trials.

For the sake of disclosure and adherence to my employer's social media policy: I'm an employee of Three UK.
 

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And is getting rid of most FM radio stations, in favour of DAB, useful in any plan?
No, I doubt it. Never seen any proposals to use 97-108 MHz, the FM band. Not enough bandwidth really.

The lowest I've seen being suggested for 4G is around 450 MHz, for rural areas (the first-generation mobile phones in Scandinavia used that).

Thank you for bringing the facts to support my snark. I'm a telco product manager with 8 years of experience, so I get a little jaded when I see misinformed articles like this that promise the world without an appreciable understanding of whats involved or any interest in fact-checking comments by an aggrandising politician.

It will be interesting to see how spectrum use is sliced up in later releases of LTE and indeed "5G". The carrier aggregation tests that are taking place in Korea and Australia are particularly exciting. My comment around spectrum was whether Boris intended to launch BorisNet (with what spectrum license?) or if he was intending on asking the Big Four carriers very nicely to please roll it out in London first or indeed before they're ready to begin their own trials.

For the sake of disclosure and adherence to my employer's social media policy: I'm an employee of Three UK.
I don't think Boris has the foggiest. I'd guess some political adviser spotted the term '5G' somewhere and said: 'Why don't you make a speech about it coming to London?' If he becomes an MP in the 2015 election by the following, 2020, election he'll be able to claim: 'Look, I was the person who brought you 5G.' And he can play the same argument if he runs as mayor in 2016 and/or 2020 (oh, that'll be fun: coincident elections). Or, if 5G is still years away he'll be able to forget all about it.

BTW Three UK is good. I get 4G on your network. Fast stuff.
 
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