I'll be voting yes whatever the wording. I don't think in a million years it'll be an abortion on demand referendum though - not quite yet.
8th amendment Repeal Referendum 2018
How will you vote in next year's ABORTION referendum?
Yes?
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No?
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Depending on the wording I might vote in favor.
I won't be voting for "abortion on demand" though.
Yes?
No?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0926/907522-cabinet_referendums/The Taoiseach has told the Dáil that the Government has agreed an "indicative timeline" for a standalone referendum on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution next May or June.
The vote early next summer will be one of seven referendums that the Government is planning to hold over the next two years.
Leo Varadkar said the referendum on abortion would follow on from the recommendations of an all-party Oireachtas committee considering the issue, which is to report by Christmas.
Depending on the wording I might vote in favor.
I won't be voting for "abortion on demand" though.
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Let's remind ourselves of the exact text that the 8th amendment introduced:
Without the amendment, it's up to the government themselves to set abortion laws. There's no reason the referendum needs to actually put any wording back into the constitution, and I don't believe the details of abortion provision (or lack thereof) would be part of the referendum question.
I suppose there's a possibility that the referendum will wimp out and reword the "the equal right to life of the mother".
Repealing the 8th Amendment simply removes this from the constitution, it doesn't make any legislation that actually provides for abortion.The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.
Without the amendment, it's up to the government themselves to set abortion laws. There's no reason the referendum needs to actually put any wording back into the constitution, and I don't believe the details of abortion provision (or lack thereof) would be part of the referendum question.
I suppose there's a possibility that the referendum will wimp out and reword the "the equal right to life of the mother".
Thats a very loaded phrase, I imagine most abortions must be done on demand unless the woman is unconscious and her life in immediate danger.How will you vote in next year's ABORTION referendum?
I won't be voting for "abortion on demand" though.
Unless of course you mean pregnancy should only be terminated by order?
How about this wording? Do you want to give murderous harlots the right to kill innocent children temporarily residing in their uteri, when any one of those unborn children could be a future Nobel laureate?
Given that Irish women have the legal right to travel to other countries to have abortions and thousands annually do, is there any reason as to why it should not be a regulated procedure in Ireland? IMHO it only discriminates women who do not have the means (financial or otherwise) to travel.
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You can travel abroad to be euthanized and evade taxes too. That doesn't mean it should be legal. It's not a good argument.
Abortion should be legal for the full term of pregnancy because it's a basic human right that one has autonomy over one's body.
Abortion should be legal for the full term of pregnancy because it's a basic human right that one has autonomy over one's body.
No it isn't. Who said it was a basic human right to murder a child coming out of the womb?Abortion should be legal for the full term of pregnancy because it's a basic human right that one has autonomy over one's body.
Full pregnancy you say - so that is to the birth table right?
So the child is fully formed - and you think that's ok for abortion?
Your own choice. Not the child's choice.You can travel abroad to be euthanized and evade taxes too.
If you can find a way of getting it out without killing it or making it severely disabled, then let's keep all the unwanted babies alive then.No it isn't. Who said it was a basic human right to murder a child coming out of the womb?
Full pregnancy you say - so that is to the birth table right?
So the child is fully formed - and you think that's ok for abortion?
Where did this idiotic sentimentality about fetuses come from? For most of human history newly born babies were routinely killed if they weren't needed or wanted. Just define human life as beginning at 9 months and be done with it.
annnnnd we get a preview of how low quality the debate on this Referendum will be.
As I figured, people will focus entirely on the hypothetical subsequent government legislation that might be implemented after the 8th is repealed, when in reality the repeal has **** all to do with what comes after.
As I figured, people will focus entirely on the hypothetical subsequent government legislation that might be implemented after the 8th is repealed, when in reality the repeal has **** all to do with what comes after.
You'd better not vote then. You clearly don't have a clue what the referendum will be about!annnnnd we get a preview of how low quality the debate on this Referendum will be.
As I figured, people will focus entirely on the hypothetical subsequent government legislation that might be implemented after the 8th is repealed, when in reality the repeal has **** all to do with what comes after.
That's hilarious, do you even understand why we have referenda in this country?You'd better not vote then. You clearly don't have a clue what the referendum will be about!
No it isn't. Who said it was a basic human right to murder a child coming out of the womb?
Full pregnancy you say - so that is to the birth table right?
So the child is fully formed - and you think that's ok for abortion?
Repeal of the eighth, will only remove the legal condition that the unborn have an equal right to life as the pregnant woman.Reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to the absurd") is a form of argument in which a proposition is disproven by following its implications logically to an absurd consequence.[1]
After that while abortion might no longer be unconstitutional, it still wiill not be legal. This will require legislation, I do not forsee any government in the near future legalising late or full term abortions.
Our euthanasia rules could also be rethought, and the same argument applied. However the constitution does not grant citizens the right to travel abroad for euthanasia, it does for abortion.You can travel abroad to be euthanized and evade taxes too. That doesn't mean it should be legal. It's not a good argument.
Moving abroad would make you tax resident in another country and is perfectly legal. Fleeing the country to avoid paying taxes you owe would be a crime and the taxes would still be owed on you return. Going abroad to have an abortion does not make you a criminal upon your return.This subsection shall not limit freedom to travel between the State and another state.
This subsection shall not limit freedom to obtain or make available, in the State, subject to such conditions as may be laid down by law, information relating to services lawfully available in another state.
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What a daft OP there Odlum. Pretty much sums up FF's contribution to this debate over the 8th Amendment. I was incredibly proud of the level of maturity surrounding our same-sex marriage referendum debate. It showed Ireland as being far and away ahead of many other so-called developed nations like the US when it comes to divisive social issues. Let's ensure that the abortion debate this time around mirrors 2015.
Pity there wasn't a "couldn't care less" option in the poll 
There is now :yes:Pity there wasn't a "couldn't care less" option in the poll
For a forum full of male anoraks we're surprisingly progressive on women's issues.
I'll be voting yes. I can't think of a single reason why it's any of my business or the State's what a woman chooses to do with her own body.
"Abortion on demand" is a political phrase btw. Any poll that poses the question that way isn't worth its salt.
I'll be voting yes. I can't think of a single reason why it's any of my business or the State's what a woman chooses to do with her own body.
"Abortion on demand" is a political phrase btw. Any poll that poses the question that way isn't worth its salt.
Technically it's not a referendum on abortion provision itself but on the repeal of the 8th amendment so the title has been adjusted.
Rather a logical fallacy to that poll option tbh - if someone genuinely couldn't care less, they wouldn't take the time out of their busy lives to tell us they couldn't care less.There is now :yes:
Logically, at that point, there would still be quite a lot less they could care about.
I know, but anything for an easy life....Rather a logical fallacy to that poll option tbh - if someone genuinely couldn't care less, they wouldn't take the time out of their busy lives to tell us they couldn't care less.
Logically, at that point, there would still be quite a lot less they could care about.
I'll be voting yes; I'm hoping for so-called "abortion on demand" to the end of the first trimester and medically advised abortions to term.
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