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Hey,

Manchester needs a big, exciting, city center covered market to emulate the vibrancy of the London markets. Given the diversity and vibrancy of the Manchester population I'm sure this could become a famous asset for the city. So one question..

where could this be held?

what location has the style, gravitas and edgy vibe to host such a market?

(probably would need a roof)
 

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^^^ sure, but local markets are just that - local, they will never become an international draw like borough or camden markets in London, a real city center universal market would be an incredible asset for the city - personally I'm thinking a canal-side location would be best..
 

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I am not being cute , but what kind of market are we talking about here?

Any I presume this ain't the meat market at the local club at quarter to two?
 

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The Co-op NOMA people are already on the case although it was bound up in the pre-planning PR rhetoric of the project.

http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/Property/Co-op-plans-Borough-Market-for-old-estate

They probably represent the best option to deliver something with the Council seemingly in bed with the supermarkets over First St and Central Retail park sites.

Borough Market works because of its proximity to the City and because there is a greater culture of lunchtime dining in London (something that also affects the ability of restaurants in Manchester to cover high rents and why there is no Michelin star in the centre); Friday venison kebab at Borough Market is legion amongst office workers.

Add to that the greater number of tourists near to Tate Modern and the South Bank as well as its links to the "dinner party set" along the Northern Line (Highgate & Islington,etc) and it stands an economic chance.

The old markets along Church street were all cleared to force tenants into the more expensive Arndale referb which offers good but singular options for cheese, meat, fish and veg. The rest of the stalls are low value casual dining options.

From Chorlton (Numerous delis, Out of the Blue Fishmongers, Unicorn & Barbikkan Bakery) to Bury (World Famous Market and Katsouris) to Cheetham Hill & Rusholme (Asian Markets), Samsi (Japanese ingredients), China Town (Wing Yip & Kim's Thai) to Salvi's Deli (Italian) and now Booth's & Waitrose the foodie in Manchester can do alright.

Unfortunately, as critical onanist AA Gill once remarked, "Manchester drinks first then eats... with its mouth open!
 

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If you're talking about a food market hawkers are due to open this year.

http://www.hawkers-mcr.com/
Any idea where this will be located?

These guys have done a few similar Pop-up events around town. Next one on Sat on New Bailey St.

http://www.guerrillaeats.co.uk/

There are also food stalls connected to the Castllfield Market at the start of each month. Next one Sunday then weekly from May.

http://castlefieldmarket.org.uk/

All are more about casual dining and top end deli products rather than everyday comestibles though.

"Pop-up" is probably the way to go in Manchester rather than having a single site needing 7 days a week occupancy to break even.
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^^^ sure, but local markets are just that - local, they will never become an international draw like borough or camden markets in London, a real city center universal market would be an incredible asset for the city - personally I'm thinking a canal-side location would be best..
I think Borough Market is grotty and unwelcoming. Even more so since the Shard looms sneeringly over the viaduct. Truth be told, a lot of things in London are said to be "good" simply because they are in London - not because they actually are. Equally my friend has similar feelings about Camden (the market and the place in general).

If you want a decent market in Manchester - then why did they close Smithfield and allow the area to rot for years? Even now the market building is still boarded up.
 

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"Manchester Markets" (i.e. the organisation) are pretty good - and I always like their pop up around Piccadilly Gardens.

I've been to the markets in Longsight, they're pretty good - and I've never heard a bad thing about Cheetham Hill's markets.

Allied London were on about setting up some markets down at Hardman Square... flange?

And someone's mentioned that Co-op are looking to incorporate markets into their atrium between Hanover and E-Block (although I'm not sure just how much footfall this thoroughfare will receive.

And then of course there's the Arndale Indoor Markets
 

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What's going on in Higher Campfield Market? Would be great to see that as some sort of food hall.







Or something like a wholefoods as the area gets more residential.
 

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I think Borough Market is grotty and unwelcoming. Even more so since the Shard looms sneeringly over the viaduct.
Seriously?

Manchester can only dream of a Borough Market.

Have you been since the Three Crown Square entrance was re-open after the Crossrail viaduct work?

It’s massively more welcoming and bright. Plus the Shard (for all its bombast) isn’t visible from the Market itself. Maybe you’d be happier (& cleaner) on Morrison’s Market St?

The Higher Campfield Market Building was used for the Bjork concert at the last International festival.

You’re right though [Kids] it would make a good location one day, it carries the same vibe as Barcelona’s Mercat de La Boqueria.

Now I am dreaming!
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Got it now.

I would contend that there is variety of "markets" in the city centre already, ranging from the Arndale indoor, the pop ups in Piccadilly Gardens and the monthly producers in Castlefield. And of course there is Bury, Tommyfield, Ashton, etc.

To me that adequately satisfy what the city could sustain. (My beef would be about the paucity of classier coffee shops, but dont like my thoughts derail this).

However the desires for new central markets is consistent on here, Master VD. I recall your suggestion for a Sunday market for Cornbrook. Others have spoke about a Borough style set up, which was eloquently described by Mr. Longford. The latter tempts to try it out one day.

Indeed sooner this was an anchor or a catalyst for growth in the city centre than car parks, faux radical cinemas or supermarkets.
 

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As a side note.

In a decade, the Winter Ales festival has gone from the Campfield building to the Velodrome.

Now that kinda of market is...............
 

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Hey this campfield space looks almost perfect! I think you'd need that victorian wrought iron feel to make it work.. I'd imagine the market could combine the function of all the specialist London markets into one place (i.e. camden - alternative, borough - food, brick lane - ethnic, portobello road - antiques etc etc) since manchester has a much smaller supporting population. So perhaps even this campfield place is too small.. anyone know of any similar sites in the centre?

Key point is to make a name for itself it would have to be regular and frequent - if it was situated at campfield it could be called the "Deansgate Markets" or the "Deans Market" or something like that..
 

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Hey this campfield space looks almost perfect! I think you'd need that victorian wrought iron feel to make it work..

Key point is to make a name for itself it would have to be regular and frequent - if it was situated at campfield it could be called the "Deansgate Markets" or the "Deans Market" or something like that..
Um, could that be anything to do with the fact that it used to be a market?

It already has a name - Campfield Market (or strictly Upper Campfield Market - Lower Campfield Market now houses the MOSI Air and Space Gallery).
Please resist the temptation to make up some fake bullshit name or we'll end up with another NOMA/HOME embarrassing pile of bollocks.
 

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Um, could that be anything to do with the fact that it used to be a market?

It already has a name - Campfield Market (or strictly Upper Campfield Market - Lower Campfield Market now houses the MOSI Air and Space Gallery).
Please resist the temptation to make up some fake bullshit name or we'll end up with another NOMA/HOME embarrassing pile of bollocks.
I didn't mean it had to "invent a name for itself" I meant it needs to become well-known and admired and create an identity and "brand" for itself if you see what I'm saying
 

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Campfield probably does represent the best option long term, especially when the Business District expands over onto the vacated Granada studios acreage. Following Borough Market, it would need to be located closer to the higher-end earners around Spinningfields (munching on a Wild Boar Ciabbatta from the Lake District before hemorrhaging their annual bonus on some Windermere Damson Preserve and Grandma Scroggletwaites Cheese Truckle) rather than the Nando’s Chicken brigade closer to Exchange Sq and the Arndale.

Borough Market operates 6 Days a week officially but only really needs the extra space around Southwark Cathedral on Fridays and Saturdays. The grass boulevard across the road from Campfield down to the Roman Fort could provide the necessary overspill at Campfield, linking further to the existing weekend Castlefield Market outside Dukes 92 or the under-utilised Castlefield basin.

It could be called Manchester Fort Shopping Experience... oh, no hang on!
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