Like others have pointed out, that's not it. Everything we see on that A350 is still a concept design.Really?
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From a distance.......The 767 looks similar to the 777......The 737-300's on up look like the A319's........out of the 5-6 twin engine models that Boeing has none of them look alike
717
737
757
767
777
787
Back in the day you could easily distinguish between a 727/737/757/767....All I'm saying is 99% of the planes you see are twin engine planes. It would be nice if either Airbus/Boeing would develop a baddass looking trident for medium/short haul service....even better, bring back the 727 (with winglets...lol)....I guess what I'm trying to say is plane watching tends to be boring these days, I used to love the thundering sound of the B727's and the 732's with the old JT8's.......It would shake my house...:nuts:
Won't the A350-XWB crush the 787 "technologically" since it will be out later and since it had time to copy the 787's technological breakthroughs / go beyond?
I don't.I think this is hilarious and appropriate for the subject:
hno:
Umm, no. They will both be majority composite aircraft, using similar engine technology & fly-by-wire. They will be direct competitors, and very similar. The A350 a bit larger, it seems, between the 787 and 777, but not really that different in the end. Boeing has the advantage of being first. Airbus will benefit from all of the new technology developed for this generation of airframe, and thus enjoy reduced costs and a shorter learning curve for composite construction.Won't the A350-XWB crush the 787 "technologically" since it will be out later and since it had time to copy the 787's technological breakthroughs / go beyond?
In the end, Boeing will win twin engine-long range class of airframe, likewise, Airbus will win the large airframe market. The 747-i isn't selling well except as a freighter. The British Airways choice was really a HUGE blow to Boeing's attempt to compete with the A380.
So, each manufacturer has a "winner" and each will thrive. Hurray competition!
my suggestion only...yeah its gonna flip some lids..but why not jus get a
C-130 body with a B-52 wings and make some areodymanic comprosimes. Im no engineer but seems like a good start to me. Ha im a nut:bash:
C-130 body with a B-52 wings and make some areodymanic comprosimes. Im no engineer but seems like a good start to me. Ha im a nut:bash:
I think the A350XWB and B787 shouldn't be compared anymore.
Airbus knows it is losing the 250 seat market to the 787 so it has upgraded the specs for the A350. Look at them, the A350-800's closest match is the 787-9.
Hence, that's why a few airlines like Aeroflot, Singapore Airlines, Qatar are planing to operate the 787 and A350 side-by-side, just like the A330/B777 combo.
So now it is heading into 777 territory, airlines are now pushing for a 787-10/11 from Boeing and unless Boeing comes out with something soon, you'll start to see A350 orders pickup. Already, we are seeing a few airlines like Qantas asking for a -10/11, and threatening an A350 order.
Airbus knows it is losing the 250 seat market to the 787 so it has upgraded the specs for the A350. Look at them, the A350-800's closest match is the 787-9.
Hence, that's why a few airlines like Aeroflot, Singapore Airlines, Qatar are planing to operate the 787 and A350 side-by-side, just like the A330/B777 combo.
So now it is heading into 777 territory, airlines are now pushing for a 787-10/11 from Boeing and unless Boeing comes out with something soon, you'll start to see A350 orders pickup. Already, we are seeing a few airlines like Qantas asking for a -10/11, and threatening an A350 order.
Isn't Boeing supposed to have its upcoming " Y3" plane rivalling with the new A-350/A-380 (i.e. 350+ passengers)?
Emirates just bought 70!!!! A350XWB on the Dubai Airshow :banana:
Airways in the Gulf sign mass orders for aircraft from Airbus and Boeing
11 November 2007
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) - Gulf Arab air companies said they passed firm orders for some 140 aircraft at the opening of the Dubai Airshow on Sunday in deals globally worth nearly US$40 billion.
Emirates Airline signed a massive order for 93 commercial aircraft with an option on 50 more. Emirates' contracts, which include firm orders for 78 Airbus and 12 Boeing airplanes as well as deals with engine manufacturers, are worth a total of US$23.4 billion (euro15.94 billion), the company said in a statement.
The Dubai-based airlines said it was committing close to US$35 billion (euro23.84 billion) overall with these deals if an option for 50 additional planes is included.
"Emirates is making aviation history," chairman and chief executive Sheik Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum said in the statement. "This is the largest-ever aircraft commitment in civil aviation made by any airline in a single order," he said.
Firm orders include 70 Airbus A350 planes, with an option for 50 more. The first A350 will be delivered to Emirates in 2014, the statement said.
The company also ordered another eight of Airbus' new superjumbo A380, the world's largest commercial jet. Emirates said it has passed a total of 58 firm orders, making it the biggest customer for the A380. It is expected to start taking delivery of the plane in August 2008.
The airline's contract with Boeing is for 12 firm orders of the 777-300ERs jets, valued at US$3.2 billion (euro 2.18 billion). With this new order, Emirates said it has 57 Boeing 777s pending delivery and will become the largest 777 operator in the coming years.
Sheik Ahmed signed the contracts with Airbus Chief Executive Thomas Enders, and Lee Monson, vice president of Boeing Commercial Airplanes for the Middle East and Africa. Emirates said it also bought aircraft engines from Rolls Royce, Engine Alliance and GE Aviation.
Emirates said its total order book now stands at 246 aircraft worth over US$60 billion (euro40.86 billion). "This is a massive investment which reflects our confidence in the future of air transport, and our confidence in Dubai," the company said.
Also on Sunday, Qatar Airways bought US$13.5 billion (euro9.2 billion) worth of planes from Boeing while a Saudi airline placed US$2.2 billion (euro1.5 billion) in orders with Airbus in a flurry of buying at the air show.
Middle East airlines are expanding rapidly as traffic in the region is growing due to a four-year Gulf economic boom driven by high oil prices.
Qatar Airways ordered 27 Boeing 777 planes, including 22 that were previously listed with the American aircraft manufacturer, but only identified on Sunday.
The airline representatives said that Qatar Airways would also order 30 Boeing 787 aircraft, with an option for 30 more, DowJones Newswire reported.
Qatar Airways plans to double its 58-strong fleet to 110 aircraft by 2010. The Boeing deliveries are expected to start later this month.
In addition to 20 Airbus A320 aircraft, the Saudi low-cost carrier National Air Services has an option to buy another 18 aircraft from the company, the airline said. This is part of a plan to buy 98 aircraft for US$4 billion (euro 2.72 billion), said Taher Agueel, NAS president. Deliveries will start in 2012, he said.
The massive sales Sunday came as the U.S. dollar continued to slump. A weak dollar does not make the planes more expensive, but lowers the profits at Airbus since half of the company's' costs are in euros, Airbus spokesman David Velupillai told DowJones at the Dubai air show.
"We're open to selling our aircraft in euros or in a basket of currencies," Velupillai said. "We're also trying to cut down costs by placing our work force in dollar zones and are importing a lot of materials from the U.S."
Airbus is owned by European Aeronautic Defense & Space Company. It has worked to put many of the problems with its superjumbo A380 and fuel-efficient A350 behind it, but another problematic plane, this time a military aircraft, continues to hurt parent company EADS.
EADS said last week it will take a bigger-than-expected third-quarter charge of euro1.2 billion (US$1.75 billion) to euro1.4 billion (US$2 billion) as a result of delays related to its Airbus A400M military aircraft.
EADS has scrapped its profit forecast for 2007.
11 November 2007
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) - Gulf Arab air companies said they passed firm orders for some 140 aircraft at the opening of the Dubai Airshow on Sunday in deals globally worth nearly US$40 billion.
Emirates Airline signed a massive order for 93 commercial aircraft with an option on 50 more. Emirates' contracts, which include firm orders for 78 Airbus and 12 Boeing airplanes as well as deals with engine manufacturers, are worth a total of US$23.4 billion (euro15.94 billion), the company said in a statement.
The Dubai-based airlines said it was committing close to US$35 billion (euro23.84 billion) overall with these deals if an option for 50 additional planes is included.
"Emirates is making aviation history," chairman and chief executive Sheik Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum said in the statement. "This is the largest-ever aircraft commitment in civil aviation made by any airline in a single order," he said.
Firm orders include 70 Airbus A350 planes, with an option for 50 more. The first A350 will be delivered to Emirates in 2014, the statement said.
The company also ordered another eight of Airbus' new superjumbo A380, the world's largest commercial jet. Emirates said it has passed a total of 58 firm orders, making it the biggest customer for the A380. It is expected to start taking delivery of the plane in August 2008.
The airline's contract with Boeing is for 12 firm orders of the 777-300ERs jets, valued at US$3.2 billion (euro 2.18 billion). With this new order, Emirates said it has 57 Boeing 777s pending delivery and will become the largest 777 operator in the coming years.
Sheik Ahmed signed the contracts with Airbus Chief Executive Thomas Enders, and Lee Monson, vice president of Boeing Commercial Airplanes for the Middle East and Africa. Emirates said it also bought aircraft engines from Rolls Royce, Engine Alliance and GE Aviation.
Emirates said its total order book now stands at 246 aircraft worth over US$60 billion (euro40.86 billion). "This is a massive investment which reflects our confidence in the future of air transport, and our confidence in Dubai," the company said.
Also on Sunday, Qatar Airways bought US$13.5 billion (euro9.2 billion) worth of planes from Boeing while a Saudi airline placed US$2.2 billion (euro1.5 billion) in orders with Airbus in a flurry of buying at the air show.
Middle East airlines are expanding rapidly as traffic in the region is growing due to a four-year Gulf economic boom driven by high oil prices.
Qatar Airways ordered 27 Boeing 777 planes, including 22 that were previously listed with the American aircraft manufacturer, but only identified on Sunday.
The airline representatives said that Qatar Airways would also order 30 Boeing 787 aircraft, with an option for 30 more, DowJones Newswire reported.
Qatar Airways plans to double its 58-strong fleet to 110 aircraft by 2010. The Boeing deliveries are expected to start later this month.
In addition to 20 Airbus A320 aircraft, the Saudi low-cost carrier National Air Services has an option to buy another 18 aircraft from the company, the airline said. This is part of a plan to buy 98 aircraft for US$4 billion (euro 2.72 billion), said Taher Agueel, NAS president. Deliveries will start in 2012, he said.
The massive sales Sunday came as the U.S. dollar continued to slump. A weak dollar does not make the planes more expensive, but lowers the profits at Airbus since half of the company's' costs are in euros, Airbus spokesman David Velupillai told DowJones at the Dubai air show.
"We're open to selling our aircraft in euros or in a basket of currencies," Velupillai said. "We're also trying to cut down costs by placing our work force in dollar zones and are importing a lot of materials from the U.S."
Airbus is owned by European Aeronautic Defense & Space Company. It has worked to put many of the problems with its superjumbo A380 and fuel-efficient A350 behind it, but another problematic plane, this time a military aircraft, continues to hurt parent company EADS.
EADS said last week it will take a bigger-than-expected third-quarter charge of euro1.2 billion (US$1.75 billion) to euro1.4 billion (US$2 billion) as a result of delays related to its Airbus A400M military aircraft.
EADS has scrapped its profit forecast for 2007.
http://www.airbus.com/en/myairbus/headlinenews/index.jspAirbus rolls out its second A350 XWB composite fuselage demonstrator
10 August 2009
The A350 XWB programme reached another key milestone with the completion of a second large test fuselage section, which incorporates many of the manufacturing advances planned for the production of this next-generation Airbus jetliner.
With a length of 18 metres and a diameter of more than six metres, the demonstrator closely reflects the A350 XWB fuselage's final design. This section was used to develop and validate the complete process chain - from the manufacture of individual panels, frames and clips, to shell assembly, section assembly and the production of circumferential joints.
The fuselage section supports Airbus' validation of design principles and sizing methods for the A350 XWB, and it will be utilised as part of the aircraft's certification process - serving for tests that focus primarily on the fatigue and damage tolerance of composite structures.
Manufacturing innovations applied to the demonstrator included the production of large carbon fibre reinforced plastic (CFRP) panels - the largest with a chord length of 5.5 metres. The A350 XWB's extensive use of carbon fibre reinforced plastic is a significant advance: its panels, frames, window frames, clips, and door are made from it, with a hybrid door frame structure consisting of CFRP and titanium being used for the first time.
The fuselage demonstrator was developed with the involvement of 11 Airbus plants in Germany, France and Spain. While this unit was built in three sections, the actual A350 XWB will feature continuous fuselage composite panels of 16-18 metres in length.
Airbus is building the A350 XWB in response to widespread market demand for a family of highly efficient, medium-capacity long-range widebody aircraft. The A350 XWB has the widest fuselage in its category, and is available in three different versions. Firm orders for the A350 XWB currently stand at 493 from 31 customers worldwide.
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http://www.airbus.com/en/myairbus/events/a350xwb_fal_ceremony/A NEW BUILDING DEDICATED TO THE ASSEMBLY OF THE AIRBUS A350 XWB
The Airbus A350 XWB (Xtra Wide-Body) assembly line building is being built close to the existing A330/340 production line in Toulouse, France. The work on the building will be completed during the third quarter of 2010 and construction costs represent an overall investment of €*140 million.
An eco-efficient building
The L-shaped A350 Final Assembly Line covers a total area of 7.4 hectares. The part dedicated to the aircraft halls represents 53,000*m2 in addition there are 21,000*m2 of ancillary buildings that will house the supply chain services, stores, workshops and offices. The building’s longest facade will measure 300m long and the base of the “L” will be 280m long. At its highest point (station 40 - the main assembly station) the building will be 35m tall.
In compliance with Airbus’ commitments to eco-efficiency, the Final Assembly Line will be the “greenest” ever built by Airbus and will meet the 2005 Thermal Regulation insulation standards.
Concerning the earthworks, a large amount of the materials present on the site will be recycled during the construction work.The taxiway where the building is going to be constructed will be planed off, crushed and re-used in the new building, thus reducing the volume of materials brought in from quarries. We expect to recycle between 8,000 and 10,000*m3 of materials. .
Essentially natural lighting
Natural lighting will be used as extensively as possible in the aircraft halls to improve working comfort, keep the use of artificial lighting to a minimum and to reduce electricity consumption. The windows, polycarbonate panels and Skydom roof (vaults) will have a surface area of more than 6,300 m2 the equivalent of 24 tennis courts.
An energy management system will also be put in place to optimise the use of liquids and power according to the needs and working hours (weekends, nightshifts, etc.).
22,000*m2 of photovoltaic panel roofing
The flat part of the roof has a total area of 44,000*m2, half of which will be fitted with photovoltaic solar panels. The power generated by these panels will be equivalent to the amount of electricity needed to light 83,000*m2of offices. It is estimated that this building will produce 55 per cent of its own energy.
Building -work organisation
Airbus is responsible for development, and project management has been entrusted to SETEC for the engineering aspects, associated with the Cardete et Huet firm of architects.
The work has been split into three main packages, the first of which is managed by Castel et Fromaget associated with SAREC and includes the construction of the framework, cladding and roofing. The second package – earthworks, civil engineering, secondary and technical work packages – will be placed under the responsibility of the VINCI group. For the final package, covering the handling equipment in the halls, the companies are still being chosen. With the exception of SETEC, only local companies are involved.
At the peak of the construction work, there will be 300 people working on the site, with an average of 150 to 200 people over 2009 and 2010.
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WOW, the front looks are sexy!
Indeed... the Airbus A350XWB might even enter service first... *ducks* :lol:nice 787 competitor
As a side note... I do wonder if those sexy winglets will make it into a future revision of the WhaleJet A380? :nuts:
gotta love that wingflex...dont even get me started on those awesome winglets
Sexy, but I prefer B777 and A330 over B787 and A350. They look so small...
And I'm afraid of the future when all the quads are gone and there's only twin engines flying... boring!
And I'm afraid of the future when all the quads are gone and there's only twin engines flying... boring!
The A350 will be bigger than the A330.Sexy, but I prefer B777 and A330 over B787 and A350. They look so small...
I know but still the renders look like it was a regional jet
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