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Chronicle journal - Thunder Bay

"Eager to ramp up production in the part of the world that produces half of its growing profit, Honda Motor Co. said Wednesday that it will build a $400-million-US plant in the U.S. Midwest as part of a $1.18-billion-US expansion.
Japan’s No. 3 automaker also plans to erect a new assembly factory in Japan and an engine plant in Canada. The three plants are aimed at meeting an ambitious 34 per cent increase in annual sales to 4.5 million vehicles a year by 2010, Honda CEO Takeo Fukui told a news conference in Tokyo.
The new Canadian plant, scheduled for operation in 2008, will be built next to an existing assembly plant at Alliston, Ont., and cost $140 million US. It will employ 340 people."
 

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We need a Honda plant up here, dammit. :(

Why does this city have to be full of Chevy driving hicks?? :(
 

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It's 'You're too far from anything.'

Apparently I'm not so far away that I can't learn English.

What do you do with a city when it isn't usefull anymore?
 

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Not true they have to ship all of the materials "WE" mine down to southern ontario, it would be more cost efficient to have something like that up here. its not like we dont have the skilled employees to do it.
 

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Not true they have to ship all of the materials "WE" mine down to southern ontario, it would be more cost efficient to have something like that up here. its not like we dont have the skilled employees to do it.
You'd think that if it was more cost efficient to open the plant in Thunder Bay, then Honda would have chosen to build the plant there.

Anyway, that's great news for Alliston! (it's not like they don't have the skilled employees to do it). I have a few friends that will be celebrating.
 

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You'd think that if it was more cost efficient to open the plant in Thunder Bay, then Honda would have chosen to build the plant there.

Anyway, that's great news for Alliston! (it's not like they don't have the skilled employees to do it). I have a few friends that will be celebrating.
Well i guess money doesnt matter too huge companies like Honda then... dont have to be an ass about it. jesus
 

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Hey, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Thunder Bay prosper again. All I'm saying is that if it was indeed more cost efficient to build there, then the company would have decided to open the plant there. There's got to be some reason why these manufacturing jobs aren't going up north.

Maybe I just don't understand your argument correctly.
 

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Nah im just pissed that the Ontario government doesnt really care about our situation up here. its not like its a small deal. half the town is getting laid off! mills closing left and right the forest industry is dead, they want to get rid of jobs at our coal plant... the only thing keeping this town alive is the mining and whats left of the grain and forestry industries.
 

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The situation is not unlike what happens in the Maritimes when the fish run out. What
can be done to replace the jobs lost by closing of the mills? To a certain extent it is
inevitable that some of the people will simply have to move away to a place where they can get work. The reason this country was colonized by Europeans is that they
were fleeing a place where they had no food or work, and they realized they had to
move on. If there are no jobs, then there are no jobs and you have to move or sit
on pogey. But I am sure there are some ideas that the government could do to help; give us some examples.
 

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Health care and education is big but it's not really something common people can do. We're quickly becoming a telecommu- I mean telemarketing capitol. We have one of the most neutral accents in the Country (along with most of the upper midwest)

The reason car manuafacturers don't come up here is because everything is in Southern Ontario already. the parts manufacturers, the other companies manufacturing plants, etc. It would be nice to see auto manufacturing up here but that isn't really the area's 'niche'

Ontario does 'care' about the north in a way, the majority of GO and TTC transit vehicles are built at the Bombardier plant (which is only hurting atm because Queetz fied it. We'll have an anti-fie soon.) The city does have potential for development of green technology, as well as innovations in foresty, whhich should see a rebound since the tariff thing is somewhat settled. We should know by next weekend what the situtaion is in Terrace Bay/Schriber concerning the former Neenah plant and it's stiking former employees. Also, BoWater isn't doing too bad. It's been very lucky.

There are also talks of Cascades re-opening. I know a guy that was offered ALOT of money plus free room and board in Calgary AND Winnipeg (working in shifts, few months here, few there, etc.) for a year if he stays on with one company that's got a small operation near Bowater. He'll be making about 1.5x the amount he would if he went back to Cascades. Unfortunately he has to leave town.

As for the elevators, they're full of Potash. Europe seems to be craving the stuff. There is also *rumoured* to be an expansion of keefer, so it can handle more shipping traffic, making the port more attractive to western investors seeking European markets.

The Government can help by creating a tiered energy plan for the province. Southerns use more in summer, Northerners use more in Winter. summer is cooler and we live on a lake, so the city is 'air conditioned'; it does get hot but not too much. We use air conditioners less. but in winter, it gets much colder, and longer, and because of our location, we're all up and active before the sun rises, so we use alot more electricity per capita in winter than summer, unlike southern Ontario. Also, the fact that electricty is cheaper here - we only use about 3/4th of what we generate - we should be paying less. Lower electricity prices make the market much more attractive to industries that use alot of electricity, like pulp/paper and mills. The lower prices give them a break, and they can afford more employees. The main reason pulp/paper mills are going under, aside from a shrinking market due to internet use and lack of newspaper readership (and the recent 'duvet' trend.. haha) sicne they make mainly newsprint and paper tissues, so the lower electricity rates give them a bit of a break - they will have to downsize anyway.

In about 5-10 years or so, the cycle repeats. There won't be enough pulp/paper production to meet demand, prices will rise, and more jobs will be created. After about a decade of prosperity, we bust again. It's a cycle. What we are experiencing now isn't too bad, we did reach worse scenarios.

The depression..

We need more office development though. The problem with being in Ontario is if someone is going to have an office in the province, they'll choose Toronto, or if they have a northern bureau, they'll chose Sudbury (between the two and bilingual, TBay is the most English-speaking city in the North.) We can attract the call centres, though, and that's a start. Victoriaville is doing pretty good now, since startek moved in. The addition of almost 500 employees means the mall looks more attractive businesses. Having 500 people wandering around victoriaville during their breaks or before and after work can generate lots of revenue, espeically in winter. It's indoors. ;)

Also, OLGC could shut down their Casino. It did generate about 100 jobs, but considering the massive economic loss (95% of it's revenues being sent out of the city, while 97% of it's revenues come from the city) we would be much, much better off without. The current mayor, Lynn Peterson said during a state of the city adress recently that the 'charity casino' is possibly the biggest disaster to happen in the city ever.

Ever since that grain elevator exploded! :O (they're ticking timebombs, I tell ya)

The only thing I don't want the government do to 'help' is send more government departments up here. When a corporation is looking at building, I don't think they want to be surrounded by government employees. We need more secure reliable companies here. We need them downtown too. Balmoral Park is mistake number 2 on my list, that part of town is more like Mississauga now than a normal northern city. We're getting Vancouver syndrome, with people heading out of the cores to go to work on the edge of town. :p

Well that was long. :)
 

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You also mentioned something about moving mined resources - most of those go to Europe, US or Asia, not as much to southern ontario anymore. It is actually cheaper for Honda/Hyundai, etc to make the parts in Asia and have them assembled in North America. Having all the plants in one plce is easier to control than if they were spread out. Saves money on shipping. The parts do go trough here though, on the line from Vancouver to Southern Ontario. you see cars and such going on the CSX trains (yellow cars) all the time. 10 years ago, it was cows. :p Things have changed.
 

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Also, OLGC could shut down their Casino. It did generate about 100 jobs, but considering the massive economic loss (95% of it's revenues being sent out of the city, while 97% of it's revenues come from the city) we would be much, much better off without. The current mayor, Lynn Peterson said during a state of the city adress recently that the 'charity casino' is possibly the biggest disaster to happen in the city ever.
I've always wondered about this. Is the revenue sharing situation different from any other charity casino in the province? I can't imagine that the OLGC would pick unfairly on Thunder Bay. Another question, when the casino was proposed, did they actually say that the revenue sharing would be different than it is now?

Is the big problem that the number of tourists coming to visit the casino has been lower than expected (which I guess would explain your 97% number)?
 

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'Is the revenue sharing situation different from any other charity casino in the province?'

I don't know for sure, actually. You'd have to look that up. If it was, it would probably be talked about alot. But I do know that the vast majoirty of that money not only leaves the city, but ALL of Northern Ontario. That money can be better spend on improving Northern Ontario, and you'd get less bitching from us.

'Another question, when the casino was proposed, did they actually say that the revenue sharing would be different than it is now?'

they said '100s of millions of dollars!!!' 'Bussing hundreds of people in a day!!!' 'Will improve business immensly!!!' but we have seen the opposite effect. People are taking buses to leave town and live somewhere else. We're only getting about 650,000 a quarter, and business in that area is basically the same. We have actually seen two buildings be demolished and turned into parking lots (which is probably a good thing, there are very few parking lots in the city's cores, both of them. What is there costs 50c and hour. Local BIAs have proposed free parking days numerous times, but the city continues to decline. I don't see why, it sounds like a great idea IMO).

but the short answer for that second question - yes, they did.

And the number of tourists is a big problem. Tourists would come, stay at hotels, shop, go to the casino, etc. but instead it's just locals (and sadly, many of them are native) that go there to gamble away their money then get drunk. It's really unfortunate.


A funny story, when I was taking pictures in the area the other day, a guy in a beat up K car pulled up on the side walk, and called me over and asked 'ya kno' where da casino is??' and I pointed across the street and said 'right there.' I found it hilarious, and took a couple pics of the firehall so he wouldn't see me laughing at that. :p
 

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Or what about the drug raid on elementary schools? Or the OPP caught for trafficing Cocaine?

I mean 12 year olds doing drugs... i mean come on...

yea that casino was a pretty bad choice, they should have focused on the waterfront first and rethought what was going to happen if we built it.

Also 2 more Telephone companies are coming into ThunderBay, TBayTel isnt going to monopolize the utility anymore lol :p ( Its probably because they noticed all of the Call centers we have what 3 now? about 800 jobs right there lol )
 
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