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Just for interests sake, Id like to know american views on South African cities.
1. Did you know that Johannesburg is the largest city in the world not on/next to a water source, like an ocean/river?
2. Cape Town is the most european of African cities?
3. whether wild animals roam our city streets like elephants do in Bangkok?
4. more plant species in Cape Town city alone, than in all of the british Islands?
5. The biggest shopping complexes in the southern hemisphere are found in Cape Town and Johannesburg?
6. South Africa has more roads and raillines than all African countries combined?
7. Durban has the biggest and busiest port in the southern hemisphere?
8. South Africa will play host to the Soccer World Cup in 2010?
 

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Most Americans are able to discern the difference between a war-torn, rural tribal population in a place such as Rwanda, and South Africa, which is a developed country.

When I think of South Africa, the most prevailing ideas I get about the country is the huge problem with AIDS, the feud between English-speakers and Afrikaners, the widening gap between rich and poor much like in the US, and of course, the ending of the apartheid.
 

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So far the statements made here are spot on. The reason for this thread being that there's a perception-not only in America, but Europe as well- that there's no distinction to be made between South Africa & the rest of Africa, that SA is like Zimbabwe, like Nigeria, like the Congo, like Chad.... Its interesting to know what people actually know of and think about SA.
Well, SA is not quiet developed yet. With the economic boom and ever increasing economic growth (now at about 4%) currently taking place, we hope to reach that status within the next 10-15 years. There is indeed a great gap between rural SA (3rd world in almost every sense of the word), and highly sofisticated world cities and infrastructure. And yes, aids is a big problem, more so in rural SA.
 

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The first thing I think of when I hear "South Africa" is Thabo Mbeki's skepticism that HIV and AIDS are linked, and then I think "Goddamn thats ridiculous!"

Then again, look who runs the show over here; the guy can't even pronounce "nuclear" correctly.
 

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harkerb said:
So far the statements made here are spot on. The reason for this thread being that there's a perception-not only in America, but Europe as well- that there's no distinction to be made between South Africa & the rest of Africa, that SA is like Zimbabwe, like Nigeria, like the Congo, like Chad.

Typically, the people who act like this from the US that you would find on the internet are one of three types.... Children who don't know any better... ignorant shut-ins who choose not to know any better... and the arrogant nationalist type, who even though they do know of a another nation's traits, still bash basically every other country on Earth, because no country can be as 'free' or 'great' or 'God blessed' as red Amurrikkka is.
 

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SA has some awesome looking cities, and I'm glad to see it developing quickly. Hope to go soon. I didn't realize Johannesburg was so big (more than five million)! Bangkok, btw, doesn't have elephants on the streets either.
 

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I think most knowleagable Americans have at least a mental picture of Jo-burg as this city of skyscrapers, and Cape Town as something similar, but of course with the spectacultar scenery of Table Bay and Table Mountain in the picture somewhere...

...I think its the other SA cities where we draw a blank...places like Durban, Port Elizabeth, Blomfontein (which is probably not that big?)....and so forth....
 

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Typically, the people who act like this from the US that you would find on the internet are one of three types.... Children who don't know any better... ignorant shut-ins who choose not to know any better... and the arrogant nationalist type, who even though they do know of a another nation's traits, still bash basically every other country on Earth, because no country can be as 'free' or 'great' or 'God blessed' as red Amurrikkka is.
He said (to paraphrase) "theres a perception that SA and Africa are the same"

Now you dont think it might just be because there is so little information about South Africa out there for broad consumption? This perception is supposed to be somehow tied to kids, shut-ins, and those evil people who live in and are proud of America?



Why are nationalists always associated with the right anyways? Nazis were both nationalists and socialists.
 

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I've seen pics and heard things about South Africa that I like. There cities are so advanced and are of world class material. Is it a place I'd like to visit?, sure. Its not going to be like Rawanda in my mind. I think of South Africa being very advanced for a continent that has seen a big backward trend...cough cough AIDS...
 

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I admit to not knowing alot about South Africa, but I wouldn't say I'm ignorant of it by any means. I would love to learn more about it and hopefully visit. I plan on moving to Australia in about a year, so maybe when I get down there I can visit.
 
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Well I plan to move to South Africa in 2009, so that makes my stance pretty obvious. :) I believe most Americans have a fairly good perception on South Africa. I do reccomend to all the Americans reading this, to check out the South African Forum.......you might be surprised, and of course you are all welcome in the forum. :)

Jeff, for an answer to your question about Bloem, the population of the city is 389,000 proper and around 800,000 metro. :)
 

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IMO, South Africa looks nice, but I don't like it in general. It's in AFRICA, but white people run and control shit there. What the hell is that? And it's sad that Africans are still oppressed out there to this day, even though those Afrikkaners are the real strangers to the area. And if Dave Matthews is from there, that gives me one more reason not to go, lol. I guess it's basically a white man's haven in Africa, and that was the only reason why it was settled.
 

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IMO, South Africa looks nice, but I don't like it in general. It's in AFRICA, but white people run and control shit there. What the hell is that? And it's sad that Africans are still oppressed out there to this day, even though those Afrikkaners are the real strangers to the area. And if Dave Matthews is from there, that gives me one more reason not to go, lol. I guess it's basically a white man's haven in Africa, and that was the only reason why it was settled.
I'm non-white Carson brotha, but SA has made great strides on the issue of racism. Offcourse it still exists, but we are moving on. Theres no need to perpetuate racism and segregation. It has and always will be an achilles heal to development. And no, theres no single government in Africa still run by whites. Believe it or not, but south africans of all colours are determined to make this country and continent work, thanks to great leaders like Mandela & De Klerk. Mbeki (stupid utterings on Aids nontheless) is committed to make Africans work and to start doing things for themselves and stop looking back. We have come so far as to say that Africa belong to all born here- black, white, blue ,yellow. In fact- though I hate what white Afrikaners did, they are adapting rather well to the new political landscape, more so than the english whites, who find it more difficult to go with the flow. But things change if people are willing to change. Maybe black americans should do the same and start making America your own. You can do that by stop calling yourself 'African-Americans', because you are not from Africa, for centuries no more.
 

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Black americans are not the one who prepetuate calling themselves "African-Americans" im sure American would do them fine, but the term is published in most American things not just by blacks
 

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harkerb said:
Just for interests sake, Id like to know american views on South African cities.
1. Did you know that Johannesburg is the largest city in the world not on/next to a water source, like an ocean/river?
2. Cape Town is the most european of African cities?
3. whether wild animals roam our city streets like elephants do in Bangkok?
4. more plant species in Cape Town city alone, than in all of the british Islands?
5. The biggest shopping complexes in the southern hemisphere are found in Cape Town and Johannesburg?
6. South Africa has more roads and raillines than all African countries combined?
7. Durban has the biggest and busiest port in the southern hemisphere?
8. South Africa will play host to the Soccer World Cup in 2010?
I have an EXTREMELY low opinion of South Africa.
 

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It's in AFRICA, but white people run and control shit there. What the hell is that?
You and I live in North America, where settlers wiped out and wrangled up what was left of the natives and put them in reservations. How is that any different? The same thing happened in the Carribean, South America, the Pacific, Australia, and even parts of Asia were at one time controlled by Europeans.

All South Africa can do now is embrace its diversity and work for better conditions for everyone.
 
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