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It was just a matter of time. I could see 10 years ago that the apartments going up around the station at Mascot were of poor construction standards, and here we are....

About 100 apartments in a Sydney tower have been evacuated and engineers called after “a large crack” appeared in the ten-year-old building.




A Fire and Rescue NSW spokesman told news.com.au residents were being evacuated from the ten-storey Mascot Towers, on Bourke Street, because of “concerns with some movement”.

“There has been concerns over last couple of days,” he said. “There’s been some local works and monitoring going on.

“There has been a larger crack that has appeared so they’ve called in emergency services.

“Road closures are in place on Church Ave and Bourke Street between Church Ave and Coward Street.”

“As a precaution, a decision has been made to do a staged relocation of the occupants.

“We are looking at relocating approximately 90 units.

“Assessments are being made by engineers and emergency management teams, which includes government agencies.

https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...t/news-story/720c8577af7d14455c631e942b581fc5
 

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lol, so they see cracks now and evacuate? the building been up for 10 years ffs
the sky is falling!
 

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fark i know this place
 

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fark i know this place
ditto.

I used to visit the shops on the ground floor when I worked at Mascot, incl the IGA

Frustrated residents who were evacuated from a unit complex in Sydney's inner south face an uncertain wait to return to their homes, after "ongoing and persistent cracking" to the building rapidly worsened.

Masayuki Tatewaki said he received a letter on Thursday informing him of structural problems but the first he knew of the evaluation on Friday night was watching it on the news from his apartment.

“I had dogs inside, we were cooking, so the oven was on and I said to the police officer 'Please let me back in' but they didn’t,” he said.

“I was literally on the street crying because what could we do? We had two dogs inside the house and weren’t allowed back in,” he said.



https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...ersistent-cracks-widened-20190615-p51y1x.html

but yeah, let's poo poo the whole thing...



Structural support is seen in the basement
 

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new building next door built last year may have caused "settling cracks"
all good
move on
let em back in ffs
 

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Finance editor Ross Greenwood told the Today show that owners of Mascot Towers units were basically “on their own”, and called for the creation of “national standards” to protect buyers.

In NSW, defective buildings are covered by warranty for just six years after a development has been completed — meaning owners within Mascot Towers, which is 10 years old, could be left high and dry.

According to Owners Corporation Network spokesman Stephen Goddard, they are now facing potential bankruptcy after being “failed” by “successive parliaments”.

He said owners were now “looking down the barrel at special levies they may not be able to afford”, which could cost “anywhere between $100,000 and $300,000 per lot”.

“They could well default on their mortgage, the mortgagee won’t be able to sell their lot and they will have to commence bankruptcy proceedings — all because they wanted a piece of the Australian dream.”

Now around half of Mascot Towers residents will be prevented from returning home to collect personal items for at least a week.

Sixty-four of the 122 units are in the partly-accessible zone and tenants have been told they “may be accessed for a short period of time to collect personal effects only with escort by the building manager” by appointment from today.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/mon...s/news-story/96262d9d117f830f071ac101f4c749d6
 

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Residents will owe one million upfront for immediate repairs, and that could balloon to over 5 million overall: https://www.news.com.au/national/ns...s/news-story/ebcfa0d6cabd27df0b6602b0b0f677a0

I can't believe these residents have no legal avenues. The onus is on them entirely. Absolutely ridiculous. Criminal actually. If not the developer, then the government should front the bill. After all, it's the developers AND the government's job to ensure that a freaking apartment block lasts longer than 10 years.
 

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1st of all I was joining the furore.....then I thought about it.........No different really to if you buy a 10 year old house and find out it has structural problems. They have the same recourse to take civil action on any party if they have a case.

It still sucks though
 

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1st of all I was joining the furore.....then I thought about it.........No different really to if you buy a 10 year old house and find out it has structural problems. They have the same recourse to take civil action on any party if they have a case.

It still sucks though
But with a standard house you have the value of the land to fall back on. In an apartment, the value is the apartment only. Also, how much would a surveyor cost for an apartment block?

No matter how I look at it, a 6 year warranty for an apartment block is disgusting and irresponsible. No doubt cowboy builders would exploit that with dodgy building practices (as we've seen twice now). The government has let this happen. It's their job to make sure construction is done properly.

I would hate to be one of those residents right now :eek:hno:
 

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Older apartment buildings built prior to private building certification don't seem to have these issues...

It's kind of like the yearly car pink slip scheme in NSW. The government outsources certification of a car's roadworthiness to a private entity, the person needing to get a dodgy slip can shop around and find a dodgy guy willing to do a pink slip on a car with bald tyres, no brakes and holes in the chassis from rust.

People not wanting to do expensive work on their car to bring it up to scratch can usually shop around and find someone who will pass their unroadworthy shit heap (complete with a false brake test), either for the standard fee, or the good old brown paper bag.

The only solution to the conflict of interest is to either bring the business of certification back into state hands, or set up a certification 'marketplace' which randomly assigns a private building certifier to a development.
 

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1st of all I was joining the furore.....then I thought about it.........No different really to if you buy a 10 year old house and find out it has structural problems. They have the same recourse to take civil action on any party if they have a case.

It still sucks though
In a strata there are extra layers of complexity.

You are just a part owner and have the drama of a majority of owners agreeing on things, as well as going through countless meetings. All bureaucratic and faceless. You can't take charge yourself and get things done.

There are people on the verge of bankruptcy, there are multiple people on the verge of a nervous breakdown, because it's clear nobody wants to do anything quickly, and none of the owners are going to be able to hand over $40,000 in cash on top of mortgage repayments lost rent, and paying for hotels, especially when the banks won't lend it to them on a shonky building.

And some of them have nowhere to stay and this WILL drag on for up to a year

In the building I reside in, they had huge waterproofing issues to the extent the strata were about to be sued by owners of the shops below (also strata owners) about water damage from garden areas above. Including a medical centre. Some apartments had to be vacated for 4 months whil $600,000 of work was done to rip up garden beds and patio tiles, fix the waterproofing, retile and restore the gardens. And no compensation for residents pushed out. The levy was $14,000 per owner, and some owners clearly had to pay even though their part of the development wasn't affected. In fact some said to me "where is the garden? I didn't know we had one"
 

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You are just a part owner and have the drama of a majority of owners agreeing on things, as well as going through countless meetings. All bureaucratic and faceless. You can't take charge yourself and get things done.
Bureaucratic yes, but they're the opposite of faceless!
 

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In a strata there are extra layers of complexity.

You are just a part owner and have the drama of a majority of owners agreeing on things, as well as going through countless meetings. All bureaucratic and faceless. You can't take charge yourself and get things done.

There are people on the verge of bankruptcy, there are multiple people on the verge of a nervous breakdown, because it's clear nobody wants to do anything quickly, and none of the owners are going to be able to hand over $40,000 in cash on top of mortgage repayments lost rent, and paying for hotels, especially when the banks won't lend it to them on a shonky building.

And some of them have nowhere to stay and this WILL drag on for up to a year

In the building I reside in, they had huge waterproofing issues to the extent the strata were about to be sued by owners of the shops below (also strata owners) about water damage from garden areas above. Including a medical centre. Some apartments had to be vacated for 4 months whil $600,000 of work was done to rip up garden beds and patio tiles, fix the waterproofing, retile and restore the gardens. And no compensation for residents pushed out. The levy was $14,000 per owner, and some owners clearly had to pay even though their part of the development wasn't affected. In fact some said to me "where is the garden? I didn't know we had one"
I rent an apartment but own a house back in my old city, I'm happy to rent an apartment but would hate to own one with all the issues that can be encountered through strata.

The apartment i'm renting at the moment has centralised cooling/heating system, yet there are other buildings within the complex the don't have centralised and instead have split systems air-conditioners. Recently the cooling towers In my building have been playing up, now everyone has to pay to fix the cooling towers in my building despite half having already paid for their own split systems.
 

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The building is over 10 years old, it's highly unlikely that even if the certification was the result of perfectly professional inspection (and there's no evidence it wasn't), that the issue would have been found.

There has been some suggestion the Owners Corporation has been sitting on the problem for a while, doing their best impression of an ostrich.
 

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The building is over 10 years old, it's highly unlikely that even if the certification was the result of perfectly professional inspection (and there's no evidence it wasn't), that the issue would have been found.

There has been some suggestion the Owners Corporation has been sitting on the problem for a while, doing their best impression of an ostrich.
Sometimes they keep quiet about things like that so others can sell their properties and pass them onto someone else.
 
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