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Sometimes I sympathize with Macau citizens... their quiet, sleepy place has been transformed in just a few years, arguably without consent, to crowded place with tourists and outsiders (taking jobs, buying property etc).

I wonder if some discontent from the locals about change is due to change in life, esp with so many tourist. In particular, with a huge influx of mainland tourists.

And some of these can be incredibly arrogant and rude. Maybe some of these are local luminaries, used to being treated like kings in their hometown, and awash with cash.

I say this as a HK'er. Generally, HK may be luckier as it is bigger, so tourist areas much further apart and diluted with locals. However, the last two times I have been to a place in HK with lots of mainlanders, I've had bad experiences.

For some, maybe they find some mainlanders arrogant. Others that they smoke in malls. Maybe just rude. For me, in addition I find them also literally 'pushy'.
Last bad experience was today in Tung Chung, next to the cable ride to station, where mainland tourist congregate for the ride to the Buddha and for the outlet shops there. One pushed my wife, so she spilt some of her food overherself and the mainlander. Not only did he not apologize for pushing, he became rude and verbally abusive, and demanded an apology.

This may have been a one-off, something I wouldn't of commented. But next previous experience with lots of mainlanders was in Ocean Park (this place really full of them now). There a mainland women with kids pushed her kids in front of ours, and in doing so, pushed her own kids into the water ride.
They had to suspend the ride (really annoying as my family had waited 45 minutes or so for the ride). BUT NOT ONLY THAT, they had a big go at the ride operator for not stopping the ride and doing enough quickly, and demanded an apology from the poor operator (again MAINLANDER HUGELY VERBALLY OFFENSIVE).

As a HK'er and as an outsider investing in property in Macau, this issue can be double edged. For both places, tourist income and mainland China is significant, if not essential to both economies. So many of us have probably kept quiet (tho we may talk to each other about this).

To give balance, I have also met some arrogant, some drunken obnoxious westerners, but generally these incidents seem much fewer. And likeswise, most mainlanders are probably not that pushy.

Given these happened in the last 2 occasions I've been in places with lots of mainlanders, I'm sure the same happens in Macau. Hence I feel great sympathy with locals who don't like change, and really like the quieter, old Macau with fewer tourists.

If I saw today's incident, I would have happily punched him. I would've been more than happy if he went back and said to his friends never to visit HK.

So to those mainlanders who are arrogant, rude, pushy and feel they are Kings as they have money to spend and as they are used to it in their local fiefdoms... GET LOST. HK and Macau don't need you.

To those who are not, WELCOME TO HK and MACAU. We hope you enjoy your experience, and love to be great hosts. But please be reminded that we have our owns rules and customs, and that respect should be mutual.

(yes, I can imagine someone saying this also applies to westerners, and HK'ers and they have been equally bad.....)
 

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MacauVillager28,

Having been married myself now for some 6 years with a Macau woman I can tell you that Macau locals are undisputed the most unfriendly and rude Chinese in this world, but now comes the funny part: I like it, as they are also the most honest that I know.

In regards towards Mainland Chinese I think you need to split up the Macau locals into two groups:
A) Those that were actually born in Macau (before 1981) and still hold a Portuguese passport. They have the arrogance to truly dislike anyone that is not a local Macau citizen.
B) Those that originally come from mainland China. Obviously they will be ok with Mainlanders.
Besides all this 1 out of 4 men in Singapore, HK and Macau marries a woman from Mainland China, but not 1 out of 4 women in these city states is willing to marry a man from Mainland China.

Often we have dinners in which we discuss if Macau is better off the way things are now or the way things were 10 years ago. You will find some locals that complain that they did not manage to get financially better out of this transformation, as their salaries may not have gone up so much, but the cost of living has gone up significantly, though all in all everyone agrees that Macau has a lot more to offer these days than 10 years ago. And from a financial point of view how could Macau locals complain about Mainlanders? After all the HK gambling junkies will have already lost their money in the Macau casinos, should they not be happy with their new Mainland customers?
Most Mainlanders just stick at the casino tables, eat noodles and go home again. And is that not the way it should be? Macau has many beautiful non-casino places to offer and most Mainlanders do not show any interest. Probably that is what keeps it beautiful, so everyone is happy.
 

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Of course the old quieter Macau was much better than the nowadays buzzing city. Anyway the mainland tourists avalanches bring money to the territory and created a lot of new opportunities. We miss the old peaceful times but the money talks, and talks a lot. Macau is not better today than it was 10 years ago, it’s a completely different reality!

Regarding the topic, I don’t think the mainlander are arrogant or haughty, they are simply not educated. Most of them come from the farms in the middle of nowhere and they don’t realise they are disturbing the locals with their rudeness. It will take generations to solve the issue as it is a cultural problem. HK and Macau tourism will have to live with that and try slowly to change their mind and way of being. Everything has a cost…

Malonie, the most unfriendly and rude Chinese in this world are the Shangainese !!
 

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Give the Mainland Chinese some more time to adapt to all their changes/transformations ( from what they have gone through in the past ).

Malonie, the most unfriendly and rude Chinese in this world are the Shangainese !!
I would not put it this way, but they sure are the most arrogant of all Chinese.
 

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Give the Mainland Chinese some more time to adapt to all their changes/transformations ( from what they have gone through in the past ).
I agree with this above statement completely.

I would not put it this way, but they sure are the most arrogant of all Chinese.
I disagree with this statement and what MacaVillager29 wrote. I have been to Shanghai and Beijing many times and I actually don't find their service rude or arrogant. Now, I am going to make a statement that I think will piss many people: I actually think the most rudest and loudest of Chinese are of Cantonese background, whether they are from Hong Kong, Macau or Guang zhou. Hong Kong has greatly improved in the last 5 years since the SARS Crisis, but walk outside of Central-Causeway Bay area, the old habit of obnoxious and loudmouth is still there. And if you observe how the retailors in TsimSha Tsui mistreated the Mainland tourists, you will understand why Mainlanders never like Hkers either. Macau, on the other hand, still behave like HKers 20 years ago, they will just tallk loud everywhere. And the minute I arrive in Guangzhou airport, I can hear the loud Cantonese from a distance away. I actually don't really understand all the complains Hkers had with Mainland China; without Mainlanders, HOng Kong is DEAD NOW. And overall, I actually I get much better service and attitude in Beijing/Shanghai than I do get in Mongkok/Tsim Sha Tsui and Macau.
 

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It sounds like which ever group of Chinese one deals with the most, one find them most pleasant. This I believe is trigger by expectations and relativity. Don't forget all forumers here are I assume well educated, well travelled and well heeled, undertand the best standard of behaviour. Thus there will be standards who many (Chinese) are accustom to will fall far short of out expectations, thus they are "rude, arogant, etc, etc"

If this forum was to talk about Americans or English, or Australian, or Indian, we will also find many of them will fall short of our standards.

Do give the Chinese, or Indeed the Mainland Chinese time, as I think fourseason said, many of them come from farms, completly uneducated, etc, so obviously their behaviour will fall far short of our expectations.

Despite all this, the mainland Chinese all improving though (this comes from education, travel and know better), a classic example is spliting on carpets, this discusting habit was practiced by many in the past, now one rarely sees it.

Comments I like to make are those though, Chinese is very racist (or moneycist), Shanghainese is the most untrustworthy (or 99.9% or them) (Fourseason, those good services you received from the Shanghainese is not from their heart, try do any business with them and see yourself burn, then you will know my point). The Cantonese (or 95% of them) are rude (but don't mean harm rude, only things like talking loudly), but trustworth and can be great long term friends.

May all you guys enjoy the Chinese Experience.
 
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