At Least 21 Civilians Killed as AU Shells Somali Market

They even fight on Eid...shame.

Xusein said:

They even fight on Eid...shame.

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RIP to all the victims.

Eid or no Eid, Al-Shabab is always firing.

ja'far said:

RIP to all the victims.

Eid or no Eid, Al-Shabab is always firing.

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I don't know why you are blaming Al Shabab in this incident. They have done numerous wrongs, but this time it is not their fault.

But clearly the AU is at fault for shelling the Bakara Market, they have been doing since they have arrived. No wonder they don't have the civilian population support and cornered in a 2km block,

Al Shabab have been known to hide in civilian areas.

However this doesn't mean that the AU "peacekeepers" have an excuse for this massacre.

The Nomadic Warrior said:

I don't know why you are blaming Al Shabab in this incident. They have done numerous wrongs, but this time it is not their fault.

But clearly the AU is at fault for shelling the Bakara Market, they have been doing since they have arrived. No wonder they don't have the civilian population support and cornered in a 2km block,

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Do you think i like those American toys killing our people?hno:

True the so called AU forces killed more than Al-Shabab, but Al Shabab lacks total military strategy to banish them.

it is a well known fact that these muslim groups use civillians as shields. They do so so that when they get hunted down, they can take some civillians with them and pretend the fault lies completely on the peacekeepers side. Nobody here works for the AU, thus nobody is qualified to tell what kind of info they were working on. And I highly doubt any general would approve an attack on civillians.

This article did not mention how many militants were killed, which is something important to know before getting too worked up.

I.M Boring said:

This article did not mention how many militants were killed, which is something important to know before getting too worked up.

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Usually, the number is zero. The only time militants are killed is when they fight street battles against similarly-trained Government-allied militias. AMISOM has not been given a mandate to engage in offensive street battles against militants which means they can really only resort to blanket fire in the form of shelling, and that, to date, has not seen the death of 1 militant since it does not specifically target them. I don't think the AMISOM troops worry about the target, so long as they know for sure that a wide area has been cleared of all activity, including any possible threats. This makes it hard to blame AMISOM if their only form of defense is this mode of attack.

What I don't get is why AMISOM's mandate is so limited, its as if there's a conspiracy to keep a stalemate in Somalia. In other conflicts AU troops and UN troops are given full rights to engage insurgent activity, but in Somalia they are told not to do so, and I don't know why. At least if AMISOM engages Al-Shabaab there will be a winner in this conflict, and it may even be AMISOM that secures all of Somalia. Regardless, the current mandate is built to fail, I just don't see why they they are keeping AMISOM as well as Somalia in this hole. If Washington gave wild-eyed authoritarian Ethiopia the right to invade Somalia any way it chose, why can't a more stable entity like AMISOM be given the proper signals and support to secure the rest of Somalia. It sucks to see well-trained and well-intentioned Uganda generals and personnel be kept in this babysitting position when they can readily move against the militants.

May Allah bless the souls of the victims. Extremely sad, even on Eid's dayhno:

I.M Boring said:

it is a well known fact that these muslim groups use civillians as shields.

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Can you show us this "fact" please?

Xusein said:

Al Shabab have been known to hide in civilian areas.

However this doesn't mean that the AU "peacekeepers" have an excuse for this massacre.

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Yeah, thats Israeli tactics. See terrorists amongst civilians and think, "what the hell", as long as we get the terrorists lets shoot.

Ras Siyan said:

May Allah bless the souls of the victims. Extremely sad, even on Eid's dayhno:



Can you show us this "fact" please?

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Recent documentory by ch4 (dispatches) had video footage of a Taliban using children to cross a street. It was in full view and the camera picked it up. The programme was following American troops.
Now a lot of foreign jihadists have been moving from places like Afghanistan to spread the love in Somalia. Bringing "expieriance". Theres countlas sources. As for ones shown in Somalia hmmm. Well theres the Afghan link and theres also the fact that video footage has picked up Al-Shabaab firing mortars from residential areas. A quick rummage around youtube might find it. May be they removed it though. It was a video by an islamist praising Al-Shabaab's mortor attack on the gov. It showed mortar rounds landing on the presidential area. One frame showed it hitting a road. I asked him about that and he said some shit and gave me a PM which I could only be bothered to read the first fith of it. And that took me about 5 mins, about how the west is bad and crap.
tbh civilians should get out of Mogadishu. I know it's not easy as it's your life and it's a pitty that I think you should have to as it's your right to live where you want (if you can afford it, going back to a previous thread lol). But what do you expect in a war zone? The AU should obviously be far more careful. I dont understand why they have artillery. Seriously? If it was some mountainous place like Afghanistan or you were fighting an enemy away from a residential area (let alone dense capital), then you should have some. But until they drive them out of Mogadishu, store it away for the mean time. Or use something with accuracy like an artillery strike?
Ah well. Like someone said before, the AU launching those shells didnt do it with the intention of killing civilians. More to do with ignorance it seems. :nuts:

So much for "peacekeeping", these Aids infested mercenaries are nothing but a waste of space. Its because of them, Alshabab are getting stronger and i hope they get taken in body bags back to bugandan.

Waranle said:

So much for "peacekeeping", these Aids infested mercenaries are nothing but a waste of space. Its because of them, Alshabab are getting stronger and i hope they get taken in body bags back to bugandan.

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mmmmmmm, just wait till Janub reads that. Infact personally I dont like what you said at all. But your on 82 posts so thts to be expected (j/k)
Whether you agree with the deployment or not, that has nothing to do with the troops. They do not choose to go there. They do not choose what weapons they get. How abouts you show some respect yeah?

I think it's naive to have a "good guy-bad guy" thinking in the Somalia conflict. IMO, they are all bad.

lordangers5 said:

mmmmmmm, just wait till Janub reads that. Infact personally I dont like what you said at all. But your on 82 posts so thts to be expected (j/k)
Whether you agree with the deployment or not, that has nothing to do with the troops. They do not choose to go there. They do not choose what weapons they get. How abouts you show some respect yeah?

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Show respect to who? a bunch of rag-tag Aids invested mercenaries, who are the foot soldiers of the west? Civilian killers do not deserve respect.

Janub said:

What I don't get is why AMISOM's mandate is so limited, its as if there's a conspiracy to keep a stalemate in Somalia.

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I fail to understand this as well. Either fight Al-Shabab or get out. What's the point of controlling 0.1% of the country?

More like 0.0000001% actually. They do not even control half of a 145 sq km city in a country that is 637,000 square km large.

Waranle said:

Show respect to who? a bunch of rag-tag Aids invested mercenaries, who are the foot soldiers of the west? Civilian killers do not deserve respect.

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It's a war zone. Just incase you didnt know people die in war. Yes artillery is a shit weapon to use if they cant show any precision but like I said, they are given the weapons and the mandate. They just carry out orders. Also Ugandan's have one of the lowest wages for a soldier in most of East Africa. Their peacekeeping force pay still sits below the average Kenyan/Rwandan who is quitely sitting at home doing some star jumps. They fight under the Ugandan and AU flag. Not a US/EU one. As far as they know they are fighting for Uganda and AU. Al-Shabaab has attacked Uganda. So now it's a payback time :lol:

Xusein said:

More like 0.0000001% actually. They do not even control half of a 145 sq km city in a country that is 637,000 square km large.

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Lol. Same, dont understand why you cant just let them at least secure Mogadishu. Get the fighting out of Mogadishu, away from the civilians. Save lives!

lordangers5 said:

Al-Shabaab has attacked Uganda. So now it's a payback time :lol:

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None of them belong in Somalia, they all ought to leave