Autonomous Vehicles - Future of Mobility in Singapore

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TheAlphaLion

Discussion Starter · May 14, 2018 (Edited)

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Please continue the discussion of autonomous vehicles, and its feasibility in Singapore. Please note that by definition of autonomous vehicles - it covers a wide range of capacities and operation modes, including:

1. Driverless cars
2. Semi-autonomous cars
3. Driverless buses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicular_automation
More can be added to extend the length and breadth of the discussion.

The discussion can also include the feasibility of such vehicles in new town developments and business parks in Singapore, as well as the upgrading of existing infrastructure such as buses and bus interchanges, taxis, etc. To support the technology.

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CHT

· #3 · May 14, 2018

TheAlphaLion said:
we can see you really love LRTs, but the math doesn't support that Tengah can't survive without LRT.

you quote 45000 households for Tengah and postulate that autonomous vehicles (which include driverless buses) plus the 3 MRT stations can't handle the number of people. Here's some data for perspective (data from Singstat 2010):

AMK has 60,000 households and only 2 MRT stations.
Bishan (which is supposedly about the same size as Tengah) has 27,000 households and 1 MRT station.
Toa Payoh has 43,000 households with 3 MRT stations.
Yishun has 54,000 households with 2 MRT stations.
(Yes, the NSL has a higher capacity...)

Sadly, you have little confidence in autonomous vehicles and adore LRTs. Ironically, LRT is an autonomous type of transport, only difference is that it is above ground and does not contribute to road traffic. With Tengah designed to be car-lite, with a proper approach to traffic management, there should be no problems for autonomous vehicles to be better than LRT. Besides, the LRT tracks also take up space that could otherwise be more lanes on the road.

Its meaningless to compare Tengah to a car heavy matured estate with over crowding stations. I am sure its not HDB or LTA intend to develop Tengah MRT stations to be as crowded as Bishan or AMK.

Yes, I still have my reservation of AV technology being deploy in a non controlled environment such as HDB estate. Even LTA says they envisioned that robot buses to run scheduled services during off-peak periods to complement human-driven ones, while driverless shuttles can be summoned on demand by commuters.

The other consideration for AV is operating cost. Will it cost as much as bus or will it cost similar to taxi. If AV need a dedicated track, it will still take up land space. However the good thing about elevated track is that below the track it can be turn into PCN.

And yes, seeing is believing. So until AV technology is tried and tested in real HDB environment, AV technology will still be a complimentary transport system.

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luacstjh98

· #4 · May 14, 2018

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/12/...ansportation-public-buses-pedestrians-jetpack

Thought this article was relevant to the issue at hand here. Driverless buses maybe, but I don't see PRT for everyone working in a very dense and built-up environment.

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